the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We've had ice ages and warming periods for eons now. The Middle Ages experienced a warming and receding of glaciers, and what's called the Little Ice Age.

Difference is now we are pouring contanimants and greenhouse gases into the atmosphere which is causing it's own problem on top of natural climate changes.

None of that is untrue, but it is still using 2000 years of history to determine 800,000+ years of it. On a rock the size of a grain of sand in the vast solar system that surrounds us that we're learning new things about at an exponential rate this last 2 decades.

We have no proof that those contaminants do anything but endanger or kill life in the area they are prevalent in. Not that they create some apocalyptical event with the entire planet.

I dont argue that we shouldnt live in a clean environment, but I do argue that doing that for any other reason to make the world a nicer place to live is brainwashing to get you to think a carbon tax is a good idea, while you organize your trash to feel as if you're part of a united front against the threat of global catastrophy. While the people who made those laws get the credits to fly around the world.

Energy for me but not for the.

[Jibartik]

I'm less concerned with whatever I have to do to reduce my wasteful lifestyle, which I will generally do because that's not a bad idea. Fly less. Eat less meat, or none at all. Less monoculture, more public transport. All of the standard issue projects that the forces of capital have largely opposed for decades. These things are all minor changes in the grand scheme, I can personally adapt

their face when you volunteer to make sacrifices so you can follow their 10 commandments:

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I am more concerned with the millions who might end up dead because we in the west like to have cheap ranch dressing, cheap shirts at Old Navy or whatever else the hell all of those outsourced workers in factories build to keep our goods artificially cheap.

If only personal health was an issue or anti consumerism, instead of organizing your trash so you can reward yourself with unhealthy things and consumerism.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of that is untrue, but it is still using 2000 years of history to determine 800,000+ years of it. On a rock the size of a grain of sand in the vast solar system that surrounds us that we're learning new things about at an exponential rate this last 2 decades.

We have no proof that those contaminants do anything but endanger or kill life in the area they are prevalent in. Not that they create some apocalyptical event with the entire planet.

I dont argue that we shouldnt live in a clean environment, but I do argue that doing that for any other reason to make the world a nicer place to live is brainwashing to get you to think a carbon tax is a good idea, while you organize your trash to feel as if you're part of a united front against the threat of global catastrophy. While the people who made those laws get the credits to fly around the world.

Energy for me but not for the.

Oh I didn't mention the scam that is the carbon tax, or carbon credits.

That is purely a way for some to profit from this. Never let anyone fool you into thinking it's about saving the planet.

[Jibartik]

Dont question the science! It's peer(adult) reviewed!

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

their face when you volunteer to make sacrifices so you can follow their 10 commandments:

If only personal health was an issue or anti consumerism, instead of organizing your trash so you can reward yourself with unhealthy things and consumerism.

I don't follow this argument. Less consumption is good, regardless of why I choose to do it. They overconsume far more than I ever could, obviously, but I can only control myself

I don't think I know what you are suggesting I do differently.

[bomaroast]

http://www.nist.gov/news-events/news...ns-microscopic

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate...st-1600-years/

https://blog.oup.com/2021/02/dead-zo...ns-and-rivers/

Problem compounding problems. I could go on and on, with an endless torrent of links about bad things going on with both local and global systems. If you aren't paying enough attention to see the compounding problems, then probably you've made some decision about how to categorize and tuck-away said problems.

When you put it all together, it's not good. There are too many people on the planet using too many resources. The chance to make effective change passed before most of us were born. Now we're just watching it play out.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't follow this argument. Less consumption is good, regardless of why I choose to do it. They overconsume far more than I ever could, obviously, but I can only control myself

I don't think I know what you are suggesting I do differently.

Its not good though, that's the con.

Less consumerism on a level you're talking about is pointless. And puts you you into a state of mental duress.

The entire modern generation was built on the concept of anti consumerism, and look what they let their kids do with cellphones.

You're making these sacrifices to feel as though you are helping but even you admit that they overconsume far more than you ever could.

So what exactly are you doing?

You're doing a religious ritual.

And the real crime is that, when people are convinced to make these sacrafices that others are not, the ones that are not, gain great advantage over the ones who do.

The more that do, the fewer of those that dont, and the more and more power they gain.

Self help is great, for the self.

But to misconstrued it for for the greater good, or that it has an effect on the greater good, only encourages more and more of a power imbalance for those that do the most harm.

[Jibartik]

When you put it all together, it's not good. There are too many people on the planet using too many resources. The chance to make effective change passed before most of us were born. Now we're just watching it play out.

I like this song.

One of two things is happening:

The above statement is a secularists guide to the apocalypse.

In the other corner, is a glowing man riding a glass panel with a giant eyeball floating over his head, and he has a message, "You will convince yourself to bring the apocalypse from your fear of the apocalypse"

The great news for nihilists like me is that either way our planet is doomed.

DOOOOMEED.

[Reiwa]

commies win this topic

lame

[bomaroast]

I don't have children, my opinion doesn't really matter. It's good to help others along the path to acceptance though. Good luck y'all.