And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[snow_man]

If Divinity waits for 125 TMO to show up, that's their issue, but most of the time the fight is 2 monks tag teaming to keep FTE until that 125 shows up. If the two tmo monks are tag teaming the FTE and divinity shows up with 20 charges in gets the mob to 45% then tmo's 50 show up and finish off the mob, Divinity would end up getting the exp and loots. Wouldn't matter that someone kited a dragon around.

Vice versa, Divinity would be hard pressed to run in and charge the mob with their 35, because it would take a while to get 125 TMOs formed up into 6 man groups then manually raid invite each of the 21 group leaders and wait for confirmation.

In the end though, it would leave nothing to interpretation from a GM. GM's then have no worries about someone yelling "Bias" everytime a mob dies because they have to pick the loot winnder.

Also, it would remove the confusion of, "Do we have FTE? Should we continue killing this mob for the competiting guild?" Instead it would become a we engaged put the DPS down ASAP.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I think everyone would be better off if we had a set of unified raid rules. We just want the ambiguity of calls removed. Lawyers influence decisions, but only based on a set of laws, while open to interpretation, are available to all.

[Autotune]

The first rule of P99 raid rules are, there are no fucking rules.

[Zeelot]

I think FTE + common sense is a good way to look at it if you want to predict which way the GMs will rule. If you look at the last CT for example, a FE member tagged and took CT death touch and claimed he was 'pulling'. There are a few common sense problems here: the 'puller' got death touched and there was no FE to back him up(thus, pull would not have occurred) and the FE raidforce was not even near CT to back him up. This doesnt even include the fact that CT has never been 'pulled' on any p99 raid I have ever been on (a weaker argument, but true regardless). You can argue that TMO engaged before CT reset the FTE but the fact remains that the CT pull ended the moment the sole puller took that DT and there was no one to back him up.

Awarding to FE in this circumstance would not make any sense. CT would have not made it to their camp because the puller died instantly. The FE/BDA alliance would not have even gotten to engage CT even if TMO waited a few more seconds.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think FTE + common sense is a good way to look at it if you want to predict which way the GMs will rule. If you look at the last CT for example, a FE member tagged and took CT death touch and claimed he was 'pulling'. There are a few common sense problems here: the 'puller' got death touched and there was no FE to back him up(thus, pull would not have occurred) and the FE raidforce was not even near CT to back him up. This doesnt even include the fact that CT has never been 'pulled' on any p99 raid I have ever been on (a weaker argument, but true regardless). You can argue that TMO engaged before CT reset the FTE but the fact remains that the CT pull ended the moment the sole puller took that DT and there was no one to back him up.

Awarding to FE in this circumstance would not make any sense. CT would have not made it to their camp because the puller died instantly. The FE/BDA alliance would not have even gotten to engage CT even if TMO waited a few more seconds.

We always pulled CT over by a wall outside the temple. Then again, we cleared the zone, too.

[Bubbles]

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[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We always pulled CT over by a wall outside the temple. Then again, we cleared the zone, too.

ditto. No reason he can't be pulled with a bard kite goin, the smart thing would have been to after we got fte is to drop the kite and let everything come own us and start it all up again. Just because TMO does things a certain way does not make it the only way. We had 2 guilds together (30+ people), we had a chance to pull it, we pulled it, and got fte. They rushed in and our bow tagger did not take a shot due to it. From now on if there is even the slightest question on FTE we will absolutely do damage to it.


Put in the Hard Cazic Thule imo. He only has 277k HPs. Itemize the golems so that epics wont be cockblocked, and lets see if TMO can kite an entire zone while fighting him for that long. I wonder if due to velious being pushed back so long they will have this done at its launch. VS remains and Undead bard would be pretty cool as well. It would make stupidly impossible epics toned down to warrior /chanter level difficulty.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ditto. No reason he can't be pulled with a bard kite goin, the smart thing would have been to after we got fte is to drop the kite and let everything come own us and start it all up again. Just because TMO does things a certain way does not make it the only way. We had 2 guilds together (30+ people), we had a chance to pull it, we pulled it, and got fte. They rushed in and our bow tagger did not take a shot due to it. From now on if there is even the slightest question on FTE we will absolutely do damage to it.


Put in the Hard Cazic Thule imo. He only has 277k HPs. Itemize the golems so that epics wont be cockblocked, and lets see if TMO can kite an entire zone while fighting him for that long. I wonder if due to velious being pushed back so long they will have this done at its launch. VS remains and Undead bard would be pretty cool as well. It would make stupidly impossible epics toned down to warrior /chanter level difficulty.

I think you don't understand what you think you do. Alawen said he cleared the zone.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you don't understand what you think you do. Alawen said he cleared the zone.

I know what he said. I am extrapolating and fucking saying it would be possible to pull him with a bard kite going. The big IF would be getting the temple in the kite, and all those nice harm touches, or get them stunned/feared before they wreck you. I always cleared it on live. I am just using my 13ish years of eq experience to say it would be POSSIBLE to bard kite and pull CT to the zone wall. Now we will never know because you rushed in and stole our attempt we had fte on.

Thanks for the troll though!

[Versus]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We had 2 guilds together (30+ people), we had a chance to pull it, we pulled it, and got fte. They rushed in and our bow tagger did not take a shot due to it.

Your brainwashed bro. You didn't pull it, nor were close to pulling it. Your entire raid remained on the North Wall while a single character ran in while TMO streamed eastward towards a CT engage and he happened to take the 2nd DT/FTE. If you did pull it, you would have taken the first DT as well.