Rules clarification

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry you're so bitter Kenzar.. I know loosing over and over and over gets to ya.
Especially hurts more when you had a free ride for the last 2 weeks but now you can clearly see how inferior your guild is.

Last 24 hours TMO has taken out
Trak
VP Dragons
VS
RF
Naggy

Whoever said earlier that TMO is crumbling sure knows their stuff lol.

I'm just curious as to how/why BDA could have had an entire group in LCY in KC (7 total - must have been 1 out of group dpsing) when VS popped compared to our 1 tracker - yet you guys didnt even try to mobilize/engage? Wheres your cajhones? You had a whole group advantage on us off the jump yet didnt even try.

Thats what I mean about competitive spirit. We don't need to beat them - they beat themselves when they tell themselves they can't out mobilize us so they don't even bother to try.

How the fuck should I know, Im not in BDA you dumb cunt. I was killing this stuff while you and your ilk were still watching on the sidelines kickin' dirt. Im amazed someone who is supposedly in the top guild can have such a casual gamer perspective, its just sad.

[Relapse1]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This may be the funniest post yet so far.
Repeat after me - I know its hard to understand - Tola's spot is NOT easily within agro range.
That is why BDA was poopsocking there. They wanted to be as close as possible WITHOUT being in agro range.

It is coded correctly - ask one of your TR/IB butt buddies to check out the agro range on eqmac. I did on EZ, THF and PEQ and guess what - Tola's spot it out agro range on all of them.

Its pretty simple. BDA was poopsocking hard with 40 people late into the window. Not a single person actually believes they were there just to "farm juggs for spells and maybe get lucky with trak" - with 9 hours left in the window....riiiight.
Instead of manning up and poopsocking correctly - ON Trak's spawn spot - they decided to play it safe and keep their force outside of agro range.

So TMO moved a force inside of agro range - Within the letter of the law to a T. We broke no rules and as Zeelot told BDA leadership we have fraps and SS's to prove it.

Next time, BDA, if you have more people there first and you want to play the poopsock game - man the fuck up and sit on Trak's spawn. If you're going to try to play the poopsock game do it right. Instead they wanted their cake and to be able to eat it too - they wanted to be able to poopsock but not have to be ready go to the second he engaged (thus the out of agro range sock site).

How many of those 40+ BDA were afk watching TV? Reading a Book? Playing Another Game? All waiting for a batphone to go off so they could run over to their PC - because they were nice and safely parked outside of Trak's agro radius? All it takes is 6 (well for BDA maybe 12) to ensure that Juggs/Tola stays clear. The rest can AFK.

How is that any better than camping people out at a target? Its not. Its worse. Its like camping out at the target - but your character still logged in. Nice little 1-2 min jump on people who are actually logged out at a mob.

Moral of the story - if you want to poopsock do it right. Wanting to be able to poopsock and at the same time have the liberty to not be forced into a instant engage just doesn't cut it.

If you're going to sock you gotta be ready for instant engages. There are many Traks I remember we socked against TR/IB where we had 15-20 and we engaged - while more people were logging on to the batphone that was sent out. Some of those Traks we won. Others we wiped and lost - but thats the price you have to pay when you want to poopsock and are forced to do it correctly.

Sorry you want the world handed to you on a platter but you can't poopsock a mob outside of his agro range. The rules are the rules; if they get changed thats up to the staff. I know as a guild TMO will continue to abide by all server rules and not break a single one. With the hard-on some have for us (like Gwence - OMG BAN THEM.. other people who may be server staff.....)- don'tcha think we'll be frapsing damn near everything from now on? =)

Flippie
Kental

It has been sad noted and confirmed 100 times Eqmac is more classic then P99 if you wanna find out that indeed tola or anywhere trak is LOS is in aggro range all your dumbass has to do is make a lvl 1 i will coh you down near trak and you can see for yourself that P99 = Ezmode....


Bda was in the right TMO should get another 2 weeks off for breaking the rules

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This server was put in place for the classic feel. What you're asking is for this server to be like every other server (i.e., non-classic). If you want forced rotations (i.e., instances), then go to the myriad other servers which are available. If you want to raid pre-kunark, kunark, and velious and still get the "classic feel," EQmac is available.

For this server, the only answer is Velious. Any "solution" other than a Velious beta release is futile in the face of the premier reason this server exists: the "classic feel." More raid targets = a thinning out of any legit raid force, which means you won't need server repops every 2 weeks. The bigger guilds will get the high priority targets, and the other guilds will get the leftovers. Everyone will be happy.

I never said I wanted forced rotations. In fact I don't. I'd hate them. Funny since I never even mentioned the word "rotation" in that post. I'm assuming you made that statement because I'm in Divinity and thus clearly I'm arguing for the same thing Giegue is right? I also never said I liked instances. or preferred them. I don't like nor hate them. I'm neutral on their existence, they help in some places and ruin the game in others. If it matters, I play on both Live and here, I get both worlds anyway. When I want, where I want. I'm also fully set up to play on EQMac, I simply don't. That makes any "go where such and such happens" point irrelevant. I was simply commenting on the irony of how everyone would despise rotations, yet they engage in the very act that got them put in the game in the first place.

No, all I want is the childish fighting to die down a bit. Not go away completely, though. Drama is a part of human life. It's also practically a feature in Everquest. Was in 99 and still is. However the drama on P99 is blown way out of proportion compared to any guild disputes I ever saw on Live. Someone, somehow, needs to suck it the hell up and reign it in a bit. Step one would probably be not putting words in other peoples' mouths. Happens a lot around here. RnF particularly. Likely how most arguments start, that and applying assumed motives to another guild's actions. That happens a lot too. Against TMO and IB in particular.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was simply commenting on the irony of how everyone would despise instances, yet they engage in the very act that got them put in the game in the first place.

Bleh, stupid no edit. meant "instances" not "rotations" lol. Got me in that state of mind :P

[quido]

Originally Posted by Relapse1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bda was in the right TMO should get another 2 weeks off for breaking the rules

Since when is going and parking your raid force somewhere breaking the rules, num nuts? Relapsee, you're as retarded as ever, but still I love you.

[Llabak]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because VDA has not earned the right to get free mobs. Start taking mobs from tmo for a couple months and sure

Honest question: Tiggles TMO officer? Is this official TMO policy statement?

[kenzar]

Tiggles is a fat nobody in TMO. He talks a big game, but all he has is a big gut. Once he was a subpar rogue, now he is just subpar.

[touchtonedialing]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hrmm the logic here just isnt adding up. We've helped out enraptured a lot and will continue to do so. I met Xero a while back and after talking to him a good while realized hes a cool dude. This was when he was lvl 30 something I believe - back when they just formed the guild. We talked a while. I think I helped him xp some on Flip and bought him a couple things - like a book of obulus - just because he was a new player who seemed cool and *gasp* actually had a competitive spriit.
(I give/buy stuff for random people all the time - if they're cool. Mostly new people. Ask Ambro - during that melee he summoned people to I gave him a couple things to have people roll on I found in my bags. Theres a plenty of people who can attest I give a lot of shit away - what do I need plat for really? New people need gear)

I mentioned to Zeelot what nice people Enraptured were later on - I think this was in April - only to find out he already knew about them and had been hanging out with them. I believe this to be because they're the only only guild I can see on this sever who wants to take the game more seriously and be more dedicated - non just a "family guild" but a guild with players who have aspirations to be genuinely competitive.

The thing with Enraptured is - they don't feel they're entitled to anything. They don't want rotations. They want competition. They're a pretty skilled group of people who are quite dedicated.

Stop and think a second that maybe one day Enraptured will turn out to be competition for TMO instead of allies. Once they're VP geared up they'll be in a much better position to take on Velious mobs than even BDA (no amount of lvl 57s in PoFear/Hate armor is going to be able to take down Sontalaak -sorry guys!).
I'd much rather have Enraptured as possible competition then a bunch of whiny, self entitled people wanting things served up to them on a platter.

So you want rotations? Hell might as well institute instances. It amounts to the same thing...

Flippie
Kental

This is possible the dumbest thing posted in this whole thread and thats saying a lot.

TMO likes Enraptured because they will do whatever they tell them to and fill in TMO's failing numbers. Its funny that a guild filled with TMO alts and "ex" officers has the same opinion on everything.

They don't feel entitled to anything because they couldnt do anything on their own and are having loot thrown at them. What has Enraptured ever done without TMO "Helping" (doing it for them)?

Can TMO seriously just drop this Enraptured and TMO wants competition bullshit? You're actions on Trak have shown the only competition you want is competition you either control or will win.

This server will be a better place once TMO is gone.

[Relapse1]

Originally Posted by touchtonedialing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This server will be a better place once TMO is gone.

Let em enjoy over farmed pixels EQmac FTW

[Frieza_Prexus]

You're actions on Trak have shown the only competition you want is competition you either control or will win.

The notion of wanting competition is a bit romanticized, but it means responding and mobilizing to targets. Socking is, unfortunately, a side effect when a mob goes late into its window.

The rank and file members of TMO, myself included, loved the rush of getting a batphone and logging in to kill trak within 5 minutes. It was edge of your seat excitement because of the massive amount of uncertainty. Especially when other mobs, such as VS, were running late in their windows. Mobilization became a game of chess and triage.

Socking is an undesirous side effect of the overall goal.