Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !)

[Phats]

People need to train, respect, and carry a weapon.

If a psycho wants to murder people, your mom, your wife, your daughter; They are going to murder them regardless of 'set gun laws'.

NO ONE PERSON should have more power than another. If psycho's can get weapons, so can citizens.

[Phats]

Or as habinbad would say, If cops can carry weapons, so can citizens.

fix'd

[Alawen]

Aside from the heroes all coming here to claim that if they'd been there packing it would have somehow helped, here are some actual facts.

Approximately 32,000 Americans die each year from firearms. By percentage, that's more than twice the death rate of any other developed country and eight times the average of all developed countries combined. The incidence of death by firearm in the United States is about 70 times the rate of that in developed Asian countries. The United States also has more guns per capita than other developed country.

The five states with the most firearm deaths are five of the most heavily armed: Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Alaska and Nevada. More Americans die from suicide by firearm than from homicide. Young people aged 15-24 are the overwhelming majority of death by firearm. In most countries, the majority of shooting victims are male, but the United States has the highest incidence of women being shot.

The idea of more guns being the solution apparently appeals to people who like guns, but none of the facts point to that being true. Where there are more guns, more people die from guns. Where there are more pencils, people do more writing.

Source: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/reso...ection%201.pdf

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Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aside from the heroes all coming here to claim that if they'd been there packing it would have somehow helped, here are some actual facts.

Approximately 32,000 Americans die each year from firearms. By percentage, that's more than twice the death rate of any other developed country and eight times the average of all developed countries combined. The incidence of death by firearm in the United States is about 70 times the rate of that in developed Asian countries. The United States also has more guns per capita than other developed country.

The five states with the most firearm deaths are five of the most heavily armed: Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Alaska and Nevada. More Americans die from suicide by firearm than from homicide. Young people aged 15-24 are the overwhelming majority of death by firearm. In most countries, the majority of shooting victims are male, but the United States has the highest incidence of women being shot.

The idea of more guns being the solution apparently appeals to people who like guns, but none of the facts point to that being true. Where there are more guns, more people die from guns. Where there are more pencils, people do more writing.

Source: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/reso...ection%201.pdf

So you use a statistic that is fluffed with suicide rates to talk about how people use guns to kill other people. Gotcha.

[Alawen]

What I do is use research and consider facts when I form my opinions about things.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
— Isaac Asimov

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Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I do is use research and consider facts when I form my opinions about things.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
— Isaac Asimov

Facts are facts, but don't misuse them for something they have no business in. Suicides and Homicides have different meanings for a reason.

[Turp]

Suicide is about 90% of the numbers you listed, remove suicide an than check it, Because it is a very high rate of death in the USA. So redo it an look that up! Any Nation with gun control laws have insanely higher crime rate than America because only the criminals and cops have guns, they know you are unarmed so in return you are more likely to get robbed.
did some of your research for ya, stop being brainwashed gun control does not mean crazy people wont get guns, thats like saying drug control will end all drug use, its just illogical. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

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http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/colorado-...gun-free-zone/

Guess someone forgot to stop this guy at the door and inform him that the establishment prohibited guns.

[Goofier]

Dammit, gonna have to start a new thread for the pics, this one's ruined like Lindsay Lohan.

By the way, under those circumstances, I would have been carrying the XDm .45 and The Wife would have had her Ruger LC9.

Just sayin'.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Suicide is about 90% of the numbers you listed, remove suicide an than check it, Because it is a very high rate of death in the USA. So redo it an look that up! Any Nation with gun control laws have insanely higher crime rate than America because only the criminals and cops have guns, they know you are unarmed so in return you are more likely to get robbed.
did some of your research for ya, stop being brainwashed gun control does not mean crazy people wont get guns, thats like saying drug control will end all drug use, its just illogical. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

No, suicide is not 90% of the numbers. The charts in the report make the comparison of suicides and homicides and you didn't even look at it. In Louisiana, the most violent state, the numbers are roughly equal.

In contrast, I did look at your chart which shows the United States fourth in the world for gun homicides, with no other developed countries in the top ten, below which the numbers drop precipitously.

It's not surprising that you choose to live in a universe of subjective truth and cognitive dissonance, but it is nonetheless sad.