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[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't give me any of your virtue signaling you make about the p99 agreement, that only existed for less than half of this servers lifetime.

If THJ came to an agreement with DBG then you'd be like, "That's good and fair"

But they couldn't. So you're like this:

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And you want ritual sacrifices to be made.

Dude...it's pretty clear what's needed to have Daybreak not come after you. The P99 agreement is basically the framework for what Daybreak will allow (look at their negotiations with Quarm, Quarm basically has the same framework about content, expansion, and not-monetizing as P99 does now and is still running).

The ENTIRE community is aware of this. Everyone knows what Daybreak's concerns are with respect to emulated servers. THJ made a CONCIOUS CHOICE to monetize their server and manipulate the IP in ways that go well beyond what everyone knows Daybreak is okay with.

THJ couldn't come to an agreement with Daybreak because the server and its practices were so far beyond what Daybreak is usually willing to allow. Quarm could come to an agreement because content-wise the changes to the IP were relatively minimal, Quarm agreed to remove those changes, and Quarm wasn't monetizing anything.

THJ was never going to be allowed to exist.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude...it's pretty clear what's needed to have Daybreak not come after you. The P99 agreement is basically the framework for what Daybreak will allow (look at their negotiations with Quarm, Quarm basically has the same framework about content, expansion, and not-monetizing as P99 does now and is still running).

The ENTIRE community is aware of this. Everyone knows what Daybreak's concerns are with respect to emulated servers. THJ made a CONCIOUS CHOICE to monetize their server and manipulate the IP in ways that go well beyond what everyone knows Daybreak is okay with.

THJ couldn't come to an agreement with Daybreak because the server and its practices were so far beyond what Daybreak is usually willing to allow. Quarm could come to an agreement because content-wise the changes to the IP were relatively minimal, Quarm agreed to remove those changes, and Quarm wasn't monetizing anything.

THJ was never going to be allowed to exist.

Oh so once again the "they are stealing too much, not stealing just enough" argument.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh so once again the "they are stealing too much, not stealing just enough" argument.

What a nonsensical reply. The owner of the IP has made clear what they are willing to allow third parties to do with their IP (i.e., they have made clear what they don't view as "stealing" at all). THJ blatantly chose to ignore that and got fucked for it.

They were idiots and I don't have sympathy for them when Daybreak has made completely clear what is and isn't okay for people to do with their IP.

[shovelquest]

THJ couldn't come to an agreement with Daybreak because the server and its practices were so far beyond what Daybreak is usually willing to allow.

This is where you lose. This is a made up story. You have no evidence, and wont evr have any evidence of that. You just say it. Because it seems like the truth to you.

But the truth is that they never even tried to come to an agreement. THJ (in my opinion making a bad move) responded imidiatlly to the C/D with a counter, rather than reaching out to talk.

They could have done a lot to make DBG happy, and I'd like to think if i were them, I would do all the right things.

But most of the time in my life I make mistakes too, bad calls that I think are good calls and for the betterment of everyone etc.

But thets it. I think yeah, they could have handled it better, but I also think DBG could have as well.

You're like doing this type of argument:

The guy resisted the police officer so it was the right hing to do to shoot them.

Type argument.

And unless you believe that is the case 100% of the time in traffic stops.

Then at least admit that DBG came at them too hard. And THJ should have not resisted.

They could have worked together, and I would prefer EQ was a community, where developers that make EMUs like this, can, and are embraced by DBG and we grow and foster all the EQ communities.

Not have them all hate each other.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But the truth is that they never even tried to come to an agreement

Yes Daybreak never tried to come to an agreement because they didn't want to. They have no interest in having their IP extremely modified in such a way. And that's 100% their right as the IP holder. Sorry.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes Daybreak never tried to come to an agreement because they didn't want to. They have no interest in having their IP extremely modified in such a way. And that's 100% their right as the IP holder. Sorry.

You keep actin like I say it's not their right.

I absolutly have never said it wasn't and have said the opposite multiple times.

I said what would have been better for the community is for DBG to foster it.

But that's not even remotely close to the issue ITT the issue ITT that i take umbrage to is listening to people telling lies to discredit the THJ developers, like this very one I have in quotes from you:

No, that is not true. This did not happen, the OPPOSITE happened:

- March 2025: Daybreak says THJ’s lawyers emailed Daybreak’s general counsel proposing a “marketing collaboration,” but didn’t disclose it was an EverQuest emulator. That comes from Daybreak’s reply brief and the attached Chan declaration the judge relied on

- June 10 2025: Daybreak files its complaint in federal court and simultaneously seeks a temporary restraining order; the judge denies the ex parte TRO request on June 18.

- June 27 2025: The court approves a joint stipulation: THJ pauses updates, escrows revenue, posts a statement, and preserves evidence pending the injunction fight.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...19107.53.0.pdf

There was wasnt an attempt by THJ to be sponsored/official, but there was no reply other than for them to request a judge order a C/D (that was denied by the judge).

Which is why THJ decided to fight back,. They felt they were being mistreated, and the judge gave their lawyers the idea that they might have a case to stay alive officially on their own.

its all sad, and just a series of misfortunate events.

But it would have been better for everyone to all be friends, than to sue EMU creators that want to be part of the family.

But at the very least, stop lying to make them seem like bad guys.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep actin like I say it's not their right.

I absolutly have never said it wasn't and have said the opposite multiple times.

I said what would have been better for the community is for DBG to foster it.

But that's not even remotely close to the issue ITT the issue ITT that i take umbrage to is listening to people telling lies to discredit the THJ developers, like this very one I have in quotes from you:

No, that is not true. This did not happen, the OPPOSITE happened:



https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...19107.53.0.pdf

There was wasnt an attempt by THJ to be sponsored/official, but there was no reply other than for them to request a judge order a C/D (that was denied by the judge).

Which is why THJ decided to fight back,. They felt they were being mistreated, and the judge gave their lawyers the idea that they might have a case to stay alive officially on their own.

its all sad, and just a series of misfortunate events.

But it would have been better for everyone to all be friends, than to sue EMU creators that want to be part of the family.

But at the very least, stop lying to make them seem like bad guys.

Where did I lie? I've said Daybreak wasn't interested in allowing THJ to operate even under an agreement (true), I've said THJ intentionally monetized and profited off Daybreak's IP (true), I've said it's clear what Daybreak is willing to allow the emulator community to do with its IP based on agreements such as P99, negotiations with servers such as Quarm, and other servers that Daybreak simply allows to exist (true). Nothing I've said is false lol.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did I lie? I've said Daybreak wasn't interested in allowing THJ to operate even under an agreement (true), I've said THJ intentionally monetized and profited off Daybreak's IP (true), I've said it's clear what Daybreak is willing to allow the emulator community to do with its IP based on agreements such as P99, negotiations with servers such as Quarm, and other servers that Daybreak simply allows to exist (true). Nothing I've said is false lol.

see above, sorry i apologize for misreading that quoted text.

But. They are not bad guys either.

I've said it's clear what Daybreak is willing to allow the emulator community to do with its IP based on agreements such as P99

I dont think its clear though, you may think you have a firm grasp about it, but because THJ reached out to DBG and got no reply for months...Im sure they thought they were doing everything on the level, and just really happy for once in their miserable lives.

[shovelquest]

Oh my bad I literally read the quote i had that you said that daybreak came with an agreement but they (thj) didnt want to.

But still.

The fact reamins, that when their server went live they called DBG to make sure it was on the level, and DBG just came at them with the full force of the law.

And that you can say is good, tahts your right.

I think its not cool, but that's the extent of how i feel about it.

What i Don't like is people saying that these guys are grifters, and "good riddence" to them, no not good riddence! If you don't like them, then dont play their game, but dont root for their failure thats just rude.

We're eq nerds who else is gonna stand up for us other than us?

Whatever.

CD you have not called for their blood, but I don't like your "good riddence" vibes, and its your right to be on DBGs side but don't root for their demise either please.

[CrazyPro]

reading this reply chain is like banging my head against a brick wall