Best Trio That Doesn't Use Enchanter

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't count Mend as an advantage

lol k dude

[fortior]

I think every monk gears for regen, ac, hps because of mend and how they solo

[PatChapp]

Mend is so much better than any paladin heal.
Monks are the best group tanks for small man stuff.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mend is so much better than any paladin heal.
Monks are the best group tanks for small man stuff.

yeah zura spreads some pretty bad misinfo here

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah zura spreads some pretty bad misinfo here

With 4khp it is basically an extra fungi.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With 4khp it is basically an extra fungi.

yeah who would think a resource free, insta cast, low cooldown heal would be an advantage?

zura is a clown

[Zuranthium]

Good job continuing to prove what a clown you are Toxicant. Constantly spamming without substance and can't even do basic math.

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mend is so much better than any paladin heal

That's not true at all. 2 casts of Celestial Cleansing is better than Mend (or at least equal if the Monk has best gear and buffs). Paladin can certainly manage 2 casts of it every 6 mins, and in ideal circumstances with lots of mana regen buffs around, Celestial Cleansing far outperforms Mend.

Then add Lay Hands on top, and also Deepwater Breastplate for downtime healing.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not true at all. 2 casts of Celestial Cleansing is better than Mend (or at least equal if the Monk has best gear and buffs). Paladin can certainly manage 2 casts of it every 6 mins, and in ideal circumstances with lots of mana regen buffs around, Celestial Cleansing far outperforms Mend.

Then add Lay Hands on top, and also Deepwater Breastplate for downtime healing.

lmao

dense as diamond

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao dense as diamond

Yep, that's you. Constantly ignore facts and don't have anything relevant to say, while attempting to spam pathetic insults like a sad little playground bully.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters are banned in this thread.

Bards aren't. The discussion had also branched out to talking about hybrids in general.

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a monk has 5k HP, mend does 1.25k HP heal.

Every 6 minutes, no mana, no reagent. No cast time.

So what? That's less than what Celestial Cleansing can do. Far less, most of the time. It doesn't cost a reagent and the cast time is irrelevant since it's very fast.

Mana isn't relevant in the comparison. Monks don't have mana and Paladin isn't spending their mana on anything else in a head-to-head comparison of "who can tank longer". Even with zero extra mana regen, the advantage of Celestial Cleansing over Mend is massive when looking at a single fight. Let's say the Monk can even Mend twice in the time frame - that's still only 2.5k HP, compared to Celestial Cleansing generating like 10k worth of healing from the Paladin's full mana bar, and the Paladin has Lay Hands as well.

The only time Celestial Cleansing would be worse than Mend is if the Paladin is attacking with zero downtime for several hours, in a group with zero mana regen buffs (including the Paladin not having a Flowing Thought item). Very rare. Realistically, the Paladin will be able to catch some meditate ticks and/or will gain enough mana while perma standing. If Monks were offered the choice of gaining mana/meditate and Celestial Cleansing, instead of Mend, they would take that trade.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only time Celestial Cleansing would be worse than Mend is if the Paladin is attacking with zero downtime for several hours, in a group with zero mana regen buffs (including the Paladin not having a Flowing Thought item). Very rare. Realistically, the Paladin will be able to catch some meditate ticks and/or will gain enough mana while perma standing. If Monks were offered the choice of gaining mana/meditate and Celestial Cleansing, instead of Mend, they would take that trade.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Celestial_Cleansing

I love my paladin but you do realize that you’ve got 58 long level to complete before it even enters the equation right? And if we are only considering the end game … well by then the shaman has torpor (doesn’t stack with celestial cleansing) and a well played necro will be juggling the lions share of the healing with a 125/tick recourse heal that stacks with torpor.

The beauty of mend is not for the average hp healed over time - it is that it is instant and available on a short refresh timer. With a necro and a shaman healing … you aren’t going to need self-heals routinely. When you do, an emergency instant heal is better than a heal over time. Yes … paladins do have LoH … but how long is the refresh on that again?

Sorry bud … you ain’t right here