Mage epic

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NEVER HAPPENED IN '99-'01! Even guilds having trackers up there NEVER HAPPENED!

Ah but here's the flaw in your argument, like many other "non classic" arguments you've made before. You just use your own memory/server's experience to declare what you believe to be non-classic. Hate tracking could've happened in the classic era on other servers (certainly by late 2001 right before Luclin came out I wouldn't be surprised if it was happening - by then in terms of knowledge/ability people were WAY far along). Just because you don't remember it happening on your server doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Just look at your statements on MQ for example. You insisted it wasn't a common practice in the classic era (probably based on your experience/memory of your own server) but you can find lots of comments talking about MQing as early as 2000 pre-epic era.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah but here's the flaw in your argument, like many other "non classic" arguments you've made before. You just use your own memory/server's experience to declare what you believe to be non-classic. Hate tracking could've happened in the classic era on other servers (certainly by late 2001 right before Luclin came out I wouldn't be surprised if it was happening - by then in terms of knowledge/ability people were WAY far along). Just because you don't remember it happening on your server doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But what I keep repeating ... and what no one seems to want to address ... is that no one (or virtually no one) was tracking Hate in '99-'01. 99% of players didn't have two accounts. Less than 10% of those that did had Rangers. At least 50% of those players didn't have internet connections that lasted that long ... and only some small percentage of those had any idea there even were safe spots in Hate.

Back in classic EQ there was no single human staring at their computer waiting for Magi to pop; it simply never happened. But it's the default here: it's how virtually every Mage on the entire server (excluding Castle ones who get it on quakes) get their epic.

Virtually every mage on the server is doing something 100% unclassic for their most important quest ... all I'm saying is, that contrasts sharply with the "Classic EverQuest" in the logo in the upper-left.

[Tann]

though maybe this is just specific to mage epic?

[cd288]

For context my last comment is slightly incorrect, you can find comments on Allakhazam from the classic era referring to MQs. I've found some on quest pages dating to pre-epic release (so pre- September 2000) so it looks like people were MQing in general (but again probably not as much as they are on P99).

One other thing to keep in mind with respect to epic MQing in the classic era specifically: Epics were released in mid-September 2000. It took multiple months for knowledge of how to complete the quests to filter out to the vast majority of the community. So really for epics you're looking at a bit less than all of 2001 as the only part of the classic era where epic MQs would likely have been occurring.

[loramin]

I responded with basic logic. If you are capable of following basic logic, then stop criticizing me for using logic, and use your brain to point out the flaw in my logic ... if such a flaw exists.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I responded with basic logic. If you are capable of following basic logic, then stop criticizing me for using logic, and use your brain to point out the flaw in my logic ... if such a flaw exists.

So now your own experience/recollection from your play server back in the day is defined as basic logic. Got it.

[loramin]

So you have no rebuttal to my logic; got it.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you have no rebuttal to my logic; got it.

The rebuttal is the simple statement that claiming "this is what I remember so this means it's not classic" or "this is how it was on my server so that's how it was in all of EverQuest" is illogical and nonsensical (which is ironic seeing you call it logic).

[Ciderpress]

To correct unclassic behavior, let's just make unclassic game mechanic changes.

And around and around we go.

[Ciderpress]

In classic, I had my epic. On this server I do not have my epic. This is very unclassic.