Dwarves vs Elves - Custom Faydwer PvP

[magnetaress]

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Don't waste ur time axz


I went and bumped thee thread thar anyway

[magnetaress]

my dudes

https://www.takproject.net/forums/in...-source.25569/

takp is being released!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=421838

THEY DID IT !!!!! 111

[azxten]

Incredibly based.

[Ezpk]

pvp when?

[Ardok]

The fact they kept their promise and actually released it is legit.

[azxten]

I took a peak at some files. It looks like TAKP source is based on older EQEmu and has not been kept in a merged state. Specifically I wanted to know if they were using the min_expansion/max_expansion fields noted here:

https://docs.eqemu.io/developer/proj...-content-flags

These fields don't exist in the database so TAKP version predates this being implemented. Not sure if TAKP has some other mechanism they implemented to be able to roll content out for each era. I'm suspecting they don't and just implemented things as they occurred. For example POP released and all the code just switched to a new version. They might have older source versions tagged to eras but that wasn't released so this is probably the next necessary thing.

Someone needs to now use all the information TAKP dumped but organize it into eras including changes over time. This is a lot easier than getting all the "classic" quests implemented in the first place so this dump is still very useful. Now you just have to know which era to put things and how to change them over time for each era.

Dolalin made an EQ emu archive search engine but I'm thinking this info should instead be used for training an AI model. This is a side project I want to start soon, I wanted to look into llama home brew anyway. My thinking is giving the corpus of classic EQ info to a language model would allow it to create a summary of changes over time. "Tell me how the sneak skill changed over time" and get a list of changes for this one skill with references to patch notes or wherever the info may have come from. I've been reading others who are training language models on specific knowledge domains like this with some success.

This is probably never going to work but I'll know a little more and I'll be able to say I tried to create the ultimate EQ nerd AI. It would be funny to get it posting on the P99 forums.

[magnetaress]

Well the cool thing about the ssource is you can update another project with like the AC armor code formulaars and roll it into ur source now

[azxten]

Well the cool thing about the ssource is you can update another project with like the AC armor code formulaars and roll it into ur source now

These classic mechanics should be available via the min/max_expansion flags or similar mechanics rather than continuing to splinter efforts. Think of how many people have duplicated the same work on mechanics like this doing research, writing code, and then throwing away their work when they realized they could never finish. Those things like AC armor code formulas should just be in modern EQEmu source and controlled via content flags. Set value to True in database if you want classic AC formulas, etc. Set era to Velious and it just works. I'd also like to enable an sqlite database for EQemu. With this and the era switching data filled in it would allow for a "one click" deployment of a classic EQ server on the desktop. No technical steps required and easy to control via configuration values.

This brings me back to the client which I've mentioned before as the final step to a complete single package that can be distributed and allow playing classic EQ. If that project to recreate the client is successful and is compatible with EQEmu servers then EQ could live on. Another angle is the changing laws with regards to archiving software that has been abandoned. It may be possible in the near future to argue that we can distribute the EQ client legally because that software no longer functions alone and has no server support from the company who sold it. You can't take a Velious disc and start playing you have to buy other expansions or use software not contained on the disc. There is no officially provided Velious server only the community open source server can work with these clients. I think Sony openly admitted they don't have any of the classic source so it is provable that they can't make this software work and it is different than modern EQ and truly abandoned. At a minimum it is likely the client could be retained legally today by registered digital archivists and the public could be granted access restricted to a venue like a museum using a self hosted setup like this. It doesn't take much for the law to change and allow for broader archival access particularly as the aging population is replaced with more tech friendly legislators.

Why does this matter to make a single package that can deploy a server and comes with the client? Because then emulated EQ could be easily promoted via simple install mechanism to a general audience rather than just nostalgic EQ nerds. This would allow the population to hit 10k+ across multiple servers and EQ PvP might actually happen again. It also means that even if the MMO nature of emulated EQ dies with a dwindling population at least you can easily enjoy the content on your own in the future. Currently we are one legal order away from P99, TAKP, etc all being shut down and all of their code erased. With TAKPs release they have almost fully secured the future of classic EQ, it's hugely important from an archive perspective to have this data out there instead of in the hands of a couple people.

Currently I don't think PvP is ever going to happen again even if a new P99 PvP server launches. There are only maybe 100-200 people who care about EQ PvP enough to play and most of us will get bored after the initial launch and stop playing. EQ PvP is functionally dead without bringing in a larger amount of new bodies who just want to play retro EQ and have never played before. I'm confident that once such a single download package exists that it would be trivial to do mass promotion in the right places to create a booming (relative to current population) scene that would support EQ PvP. There has to be a population of players big enough to draw on for PvP not just grizzled veteran nerds waiting to grief the shit out of any new player dumb enough to try fighting us.

This is the long road to saving EQ PvP, not the short road of another low population fast exp custom box. I think EQ emulation is going to die off in about 10 years without an effort like this. We need new players and while some people are promoting P99 using pirated client links and such it isn't going to be sustainable long term.

[Tormmac]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These classic mechanics should be available via the min/max_expansion flags or similar mechanics rather than continuing to splinter efforts. Think of how many people have duplicated the same work on mechanics like this doing research, writing code, and then throwing away their work when they realized they could never finish. Those things like AC armor code formulas should just be in modern EQEmu source and controlled via content flags. Set value to True in database if you want classic AC formulas, etc. Set era to Velious and it just works. I'd also like to enable an sqlite database for EQemu. With this and the era switching data filled in it would allow for a "one click" deployment of a classic EQ server on the desktop. No technical steps required and easy to control via configuration values.

This brings me back to the client which I've mentioned before as the final step to a complete single package that can be distributed and allow playing classic EQ. If that project to recreate the client is successful and is compatible with EQEmu servers then EQ could live on. Another angle is the changing laws with regards to archiving software that has been abandoned. It may be possible in the near future to argue that we can distribute the EQ client legally because that software no longer functions alone and has no server support from the company who sold it. You can't take a Velious disc and start playing you have to buy other expansions or use software not contained on the disc. There is no officially provided Velious server only the community open source server can work with these clients. I think Sony openly admitted they don't have any of the classic source so it is provable that they can't make this software work and it is different than modern EQ and truly abandoned. At a minimum it is likely the client could be retained legally today by registered digital archivists and the public could be granted access restricted to a venue like a museum using a self hosted setup like this. It doesn't take much for the law to change and allow for broader archival access particularly as the aging population is replaced with more tech friendly legislators.

Why does this matter to make a single package that can deploy a server and comes with the client? Because then emulated EQ could be easily promoted via simple install mechanism to a general audience rather than just nostalgic EQ nerds. This would allow the population to hit 10k+ across multiple servers and EQ PvP might actually happen again. It also means that even if the MMO nature of emulated EQ dies with a dwindling population at least you can easily enjoy the content on your own in the future. Currently we are one legal order away from P99, TAKP, etc all being shut down and all of their code erased. With TAKPs release they have almost fully secured the future of classic EQ, it's hugely important from an archive perspective to have this data out there instead of in the hands of a couple people.

Currently I don't think PvP is ever going to happen again even if a new P99 PvP server launches. There are only maybe 100-200 people who care about EQ PvP enough to play and most of us will get bored after the initial launch and stop playing. EQ PvP is functionally dead without bringing in a larger amount of new bodies who just want to play retro EQ and have never played before. I'm confident that once such a single download package exists that it would be trivial to do mass promotion in the right places to create a booming (relative to current population) scene that would support EQ PvP. There has to be a population of players big enough to draw on for PvP not just grizzled veteran nerds waiting to grief the shit out of any new player dumb enough to try fighting us.

This is the long road to saving EQ PvP, not the short road of another low population fast exp custom box. I think EQ emulation is going to die off in about 10 years without an effort like this. We need new players and while some people are promoting P99 using pirated client links and such it isn't going to be sustainable long term.

the entirety of south america would play a free in depth MMORPG like Everquest and they always prefer PVP realms.... the only issue is the installer.... the entire 2nd world will flood to play this if we had the installer and a convenient way to start

[gangsta]

Originally Posted by Tormmac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the entirety of south america would play a free in depth MMORPG like Everquest and they always prefer PVP realms.... the only issue is the installer.... the entire 2nd world will flood to play this if we had the installer and a convenient way to start

Plenty of servers have had 1 click installers since p99