Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Note that Loramin can cap his stamina out any time he likes. He reaches 250 by using a single cheap stat potion and hits cap if he exchanges his goblin ear for stat ear and star of eyes, no other changes needed. He might not care enough to bother doing that, but the option's always present. Without knowing his equipment--can he increase/cap his mana just as easily if he so chooses?

Serious question (for your wife?): what percentage of the fights does she use potions in? I ask because I use them 0% of the time [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me the minor benefit of a few extra starting HP is outweighed by the hassle/cost of having to make the potion. But I'd be curious to hear roughly how often that value outweighs the hassle/cost for someone else.

But back on topic, whatever % that is, it's that % times whatever small % of a Shaman's entire life they have just enough Stamina to hit the cap with a potion, but not without it ... resulting in an even smaller percentage.

So, I don't see my central point much regardless of the percentage ... but I'm still curious to hear it?

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm generally somewhere in the middle on this one, but I think Loramin's "95%" stat could use a disclaimer: That's mainly true of the people who level up a character then more or less retire it shortly after hitting level cap. That applies to a lot of players, to be sure. Some players continue heavily playing characters past that point, for whom the consideration changes. As always, a player should build a character for his own needs rather than trying to follow a one-size-fits-all guide. Suggestions such as in this thread are by necessity of a general nature only and can't always encompass all circumstances.

Danth

I'm just as in agreement about "not all Shaman" as I was on page 3, when I wrote (in response to you):

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, you're absolutely right: it really matters what you're planning to do with your Shaman, and it's not one size fits all, or even one size fits all non-raiders.

Similarly "not all Shaman" retire after they fill every slot with BiS gear ... but I think most do.

But first, let's forget about "at 60, with Torpor, will full BiS": if we could study the P99 database, I'm willing to bet that less than half of all Shaman even make it to 60. Such players may not post in forums like us crazy people, but they certainly exist.

Then, out of those that do make it, I'd guess a similar good chunk will never acquire the gear to hit the Stamina cap ... ever. Out of whatever % is left, I think it's safe to say that most of those people like acquiring gear in EQ."

But by the very definition, when all your gear is "best in slot", there is nothing left to acquire. Thus, I truly don't think it's a stretch to think most will quit. Hell, I truly think most of what's left will quit well before every last slot is filled with BiS.

And again, when talking about Shaman at large, I think it's safe to say that most will either never hit the Stamina cap, or if they do will hit it for only a small % of their total playtime.

[Danth]

Can't tell you how often she uses it, that's her not me and she doesn't post here. I'd venture not a lot because if we're on, we're duo'ing and she's not getting hit so what does she need max HP for? It's reflective of the difference between a duo'er vs. a solo'er.

If you aren't capping stamina you aren't likely capping mana either so we're back to what's more useful, a bit of health or a bit of mana. That discussion could last forever, as this thread attests! I would venture to suggest that the correct choice, at an individual level, is what gives a player more confidence because in truth the limiting factor in a given shaman's capability is often what he's willing to try.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But first, let's forget about "at 60, with Torpor, will full BiS": if we could study the P99 database, I'm willing to bet that less than half of all Shaman even make it to 60. Such players may not post in forums like us crazy people, but they certainly exist.

Then, out of those that do make it, I'd guess a similar good chunk will never acquire the gear to hit the Stamina cap ... ever. Out of whatever % is left, I think it's safe to say that most of those people like acquiring gear in EQ."

But by the very definition, when all your gear is "best in slot", there is nothing left to acquire. Thus, I truly don't think it's a stretch to think most will quit. Hell, I truly think most of what's left will quit well before every last slot is filled with BiS.

And again, when talking about Shaman at large, I think it's safe to say that most will either never hit the Stamina cap, or if they do will hit it for only a small % of their total playtime.

Why are you jumping to Shamans with BiS gear? That has never been a part of the discussion, unless you are finally pulling something out of your "95% of a Shaman's life" blackbox.

I have already shown multiple times you can cap your STA before level 60, without raid gear, and with desirable gear.

I am astounded by the fact that you can look at actual applications of gear on a Shaman and just turn a blind eye, while failing to provide any counter evidence for your claims.

You are factually incorrect when you claim that people will not cap STA until they are at the point at which they quit. You have literally 0 evidence for this, so please stop saying it. You do NOT NEED BiS gear (or even raid gear) to cap STA as a Shaman, even as a Barbarian.

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[Toxigen]

12 days and 28 pages later these same spergs are going at an utterly meaningless debate

lmao

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

12 days and 28 pages later these same spergs are going at an utterly meaningless debate

lmao

I do believe ROFLCOPTERS are in order.

[ArbiterBlixen]

@Loramin

Here's is what Prot's attacks look like after he is slowed.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@Loramin

Here's is what Prot's attacks look like after he is slowed.

I see why you'd want to root him [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Raj]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

12 days and 28 pages later these same spergs are going at an utterly meaningless debate

lmao

Rofl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cen]

The mana you get per wisdom point is obviously much higher, and mana capacitance helps on a between pulls basis. I will say that you likely won't go wrong with any allocation involving wisdom and stamina to a high degree.

As a shaman without outside help, it's easier to have more stats close to max self buffed with more points toward wisdom, I feel. After all, can't buff wisdom!