Enchanters didn't charm until PoP dire charm AA

[RecondoJoe]

i will fight everyone on this forum literally if they drive to my house
in a couple of weeks my parents will be out of town

let me know if u are interested

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i will fight everyone on this forum literally if they drive to my house
in a couple of weeks my parents will be out of town

let me know if u are interested

First off, don’t give your house address to strangers on the internet. I would have picked a place in the area, probably at a boxing gym ideally, had you wanted to come to me

Secondly, it is kind of you to wait for the folks to leave. I would feel guilty beating you up in front of your mom. But if we meet at a gym, they wouldn’t be there anyway. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you are taking care of them and that’s why you live with them

I don’t see it as worth the money to travel just for you but if you let me know the general area (don’t pick somewhere close if you are worried I’m a hackerman who would try to doxx) in the US, I’ll keep it in mind if I’m ever in the area. I wouldn’t get too excited tho, I rarely travel

[Graahle]

I don't believe anything any general poster says here.

You're old. You don't remember how it was 20 years ago. Get over it.

[Arteker]

frozen moses on velious tactic disagree with you ,Guard farm with dual daggers for cash disagrees with you, charming the dwag of hhk to keep it locked says u wrong,.

just another retarded wich probably played warrior with dual lamys back in the day .

[Sadre]

Originally Posted by Graahle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe anything any general poster says here.

You're old. You don't remember how it was 20 years ago. Get over it.

Autists remember where they sat in 6th grade. I sat next to Jodi and we were assigned study partners. She had a boyfriend in 8th grade who had messed up acne. Jodi was an early bloomer, about 5'4", Jewish. The boyfriend was obviously farming the 6th graders for tit jobs. The fact he had really angry acne put me off tit jobs for years.

I begrudged him his capacity for happiness.

[bwe]

Make GINA a bannable offense

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make GINA a bannable offense

[cd288]

It’s not worth engaging with Loramin on anything to be honest so just save your breath. He’s literally the Donald trump of P99: “THIS IS MY OPINION SO EVERYONE KNOWS THATS THE WAY IT WAS SO THERE”

Sometimes he even likes to use fancy italics, bold, and underline to highlight his pointless stuff

[starkind]

People worried about how easy it is to get through 50 hell lvl solo charming Versus people worried about classic everquest and remember rarely seeing soloers and boxers.

ITT.

:thinkface:

[azxten]

Simple reality after reviewing all the evidence on Charm:

1. It was too buggy to use until late classic era. This is already well proven and undeniable. All pets were garbage due to pathing issues, etc and charm was even worse.

2. Charming was done but only in outdoor zones where SoW and open areas allowed escaping certain death from interrupts. It was also used by high level Enchanters who couldn't mez giants and they were pissed about having to charm fire giants to CC them, not excited about it, and multiple posts mention the almost certain death from trying this. This was in a raid situation not soloing FGs or duoing, etc.

3. Channeling made charming almost impossible to do indoors or anywhere else you would be in combat while trying to cast. The stun spells did not mitigate this. IMO this is still the biggest missing component on P99 to "fix" charm.

4. Mob resists were much more intricate on live than on P99. Tons of posts calling out testing and specific mobs in relation to MR. For example, all undead, etc were known to have high MR that made them unsuitable to charm.

5. Charming planar mobs was never worthwhile. It was actually extremely difficult to even mez them working in teams with an MR debuffer, etc. The idea that Brad "The Vision" McQuaid would release Plane of Fear/Hate and then sit back watching Enchanters with 10 charmed pets clearing the whole zone in an hour is laughable. This is a guy who thought kiting mobs was too extreme and outside the vision.

6. There was no "knowledge gap." People were addicted to live EQ, a shit load more people were playing, tons of websites existed with information from beta, etc. Everyone knew how things were supposed to work they just didn't work that way. No shortage of posts from crying Enchanters about all kinds of bugs with their spells not just charm.

7. For group and raid charming something is wrong about aggro generation on P99. Classic era posts support the "untauntable" aggro Enchanters could generate with mez and charm that is nowhere close to how P99 works. We all remember Enchanters running around crying until they died as everyone tried desperately to control a mob that was on them. We already know Mez on P99 is bugged because it is supposed to only wipe aggro on the first cast. You can't recast mez on a mob to re-wipe aggro, it has to fade first then be reapplied. This is at least one big bug/difference on P99 that lets Enchanter have significantly less aggro compared to live.


That's about it. This is the middle ground no one wants to acknowledge it seems. Charming was used, mostly outdoors, and it was never used to clear planes or solo dungeons like it is on P99. It was rarely used in groups as an emergency spell when a wipe seemed certain. Widely regarded as something you'd cast in a group that had an equal chance of getting you killed vs saving the group. This is because of differences in channeling rate, mob MR, aggro, and bugs. Charming eventually reached "P99" status by Velious era and FOH guild posting confirms this and mentions the exact same reasons above. Velious introduced larger zones including dungeons where the Enchanter had room to run and escape melee while charming. Bugs were mostly fixed by this era.