Face Diapers Don't Do Anything

[BlackBellamy]

That boy needs a better t-shirt:


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[Raev]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My contention is that, if there are unknowns still than the best course of action is to take certain precautions and implement preventative measures, just in case.

Originally Posted by Shodo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apologies if this has already been addressed ... To be generous, I'll call his conclusions "a big stretch."

That is why I find the OP's paper so interesting. He is saying that mask usage likely has substantial long-term negative consequences including immune weakness due to chronically low blood oxygen. Do either of you have any opinion on this part of the paper? Because if the author is correct, the efficacy of masks versus covid virions is simply irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already provided a link earlier which demonstrated the effectiveness of mask use long before the topic became so contentious, though I have not had the opportunity to doublecheck all of the evidence associated with it.

Just a reminder that your article compared masks to N95s, not masks vs none. It's hard to see this as relevant when virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask.

Originally Posted by Byue

Also, masks are apolitical. Science says they help.

Science states that masks do not work with a reasonable level of confidence. You can read the Danish study or a review by the British government here. TLDR: 8 randomized trials, 6 negative, 1 irrelevant (the one Ennewi found), and 1 that did find an effect in combination with hand sanitizer. The sad reality is that peer review and the scientific method are no match for billions of dollars in funding, and thus we have to read garbage like https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32329337/:

Although the filtration efficiencies for various fabrics when a single layer was used ranged from 5 to 80% and 5 to 95% for particle sizes of <300 nm and >300 nm, respectively ...... Overall, we find that combinations of various commonly available fabrics used in cloth masks can potentially provide significant protection against the transmission of aerosol particles.

The conclusion is obviously completely unwarranted by the actual results.

[Horza]

I appreciate your attempt to sound intelligent but anyone who thinks wearing a mask causes low blood oxygen and chronic immune weakness is a gullible idiot.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate your attempt to sound intelligent but anyone who thinks wearing a mask causes low blood oxygen and chronic immune weakness is a gullible idiot.

AKA: I refuse to believe anything counter to what I originally thought. Actually a mentality that is quite prevalent in the “science” community.

[Horza]

You can't argue masks are too porous to reduce the spread of Covid but also oxygen-depriving death traps and expect people to take you seriously.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't argue masks are too porous to reduce the spread of Covid but also oxygen-depriving death traps and expect people to take you seriously.

Why is this inconsistent at all? Masks reduce the quantity of air you can move around your face but, because they are porous relative to aerosol droplets, barely change the quality.

Fortunately, SCIENCE is here to answer these questions. Surgeons wearing masks over 4 hours saw their blood oxygenation drop from 97% to 96% and their pulse rates rise 5 bpm. Obviously no one is going to drop dead just because they put a mask on, but it's entirely reasonable to think this will cause chronic stress.

[Byue]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't argue masks are too porous to reduce the spread of Covid but also oxygen-depriving death traps and expect people to take you seriously.

this is pretty much on point.

[HalflingSpergand]

We want it so bad were going to prove it with science!
Science is broken, it didn't even exist

[Jibartik]

buy an n95 mask you gimps

[HalflingSpergand]

Its designed to be argued both ways