KWSM moving the bar

[Snaggles]

Out of curiosity I've done a /w all and usually find 3 people or less from Seal Team online. I don't know when they play but it doesn't speak to the active presence on Blue.

Doing a /w all for Riot, AG, and Kittens frequently nets "Your request was cut short...too many players". Freedom seems more likely to return a specific number (at the moment 16) but I've seen this message quite often with them as well. For comparison, nobody from ST is currently online.

So the question (to me) is what determines a raid presence and are these players simply offline when I am not or are they being shuffled around via clever guild removals/inviting. Is one vindi kill and one naggy kill sufficient or is it a stunt to meet the bare minimum requirement?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-When was the last time a non F/AG+Riot guild killed a CONTESTED Vindi? Not, oh vulak is up and everyone is in tov Vindi. A 7pm, pull on spawn contested kill? I can't think of a recent one.

Is this sarcasm? Because this is almost a daily occurrence. They even dunked on ST directly just an hour or so before your post.

[Daloon]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this sarcasm? Because this is almost a daily occurrence. They even dunked on ST directly just an hour or so before your post.

This aint 2020 buddy. Vindi is insta pull now, and has been for the majority of the last 50 kills or so.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this sarcasm? Because this is almost a daily occurrence. They even dunked on ST directly just an hour or so before your post.

? I think you're confused. I said a non Freedom/Azure Guard/Riot guild.

[boukk]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gonna have to side with Seal Team on this one, assuming they snag a couple more Vindis before the next draft. Here's why.

-While their roster may comprise of some alts from F/AG + Riot + Kittens etc... so does Kittens. I know many raiders who have alts in Kittens, and have had them in the guild for years.

-It's hard to fault a guild for not being "active" on blue, when, Phatez didn't start pushing to take down content on blue until, what, a week ago?

-When was the last time a non F/AG+Riot guild killed a CONTESTED Vindi? Not, oh vulak is up and everyone is in tov Vindi. A 7pm, pull on spawn contested kill? I can't think of a recent one.

-Speaking of contesting, when was the last time a non F/AG+RIOT guild killed a CONTESTED VULAK? Sadly, i'd put a $1000 that Seal Team could compete for a contested Vulak before ANY of the other guilds could. With maybe the exception of Kittens teaming up with Riot. If Phatez wanted to compete for Vulak, he could probably do so within a month or two. So it wouldn't be fair to say Seal Team is getting "free" mobs..... when aegis getting first pick in the snake draft and selecting Vulak is a possibility.

- <Seal Team> ... while it may be a new entity, is comprised mostly of semi-retired blue players. I saw a lot of ex AM/AW names tagged in Seal Team that I haven't seen forever. If 30-40 geared players looking to take down one or two raid mobs a week isn't a raiding guild... IDK what is.

- My vision for the server post green is that green's characters dumps into blue after it's timeline is over, and the top dog of velious competes with the top guilds of blue. That would be a blast for a couple months. (Although, 3 entities competing in TOV atm is completely broken due to rooted dragons. Guild A gets FTE, Guild B trains, guild C takes the mob for free - Wasn't nearly as much as an issue pre root) .... might as well get used to it now. As I see a day <Seal Team> competes on blue.

-Phatez, along with <Seal Team's> Officer core (from what I understand) haven't played on blue in a long time. This isn't a case of an active blue raid leader looking to cash in on some free loot for their alts. Which was frowned upon in the class system. This is a new situation, where a certain number of players who play on Green wants to do some Blue content. You should be allowed to compete on two servers if you want.

Sure, once they agree to stop blocking content and agree to a rotation on green.

Until then screw em.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by boukk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, once they agree to stop blocking content and agree to a rotation on green.

Until then screw em.

Huh?? I guess out of the loop on green raiding.... (srs) what content are they blocking and what mobs are you suggesting need to be rotated

[boukk]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh?? I guess out of the loop on green raiding.... (srs) what content are they blocking and what mobs are you suggesting need to be rotated

None, just thought I would jump on the bandwaggon and start throwing some flames too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Although some green rotated would be good too, was discussed at some point then was buried for some reason.

I don't care what happens on blue[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[xdrcfrx]

Shocking. Former <Aftermath> player sides with other former <Aftermath> players. Who could imagine?

It's not about checking specific boxes, like "oh we killed a Vindi on such and such date," and contesting Vulak is never going to be the bar for guilds to participate in the draft.

Seal Team, a group with 0 active presence on blue, wants to take part in events that are designed for the blue community. Maybe if instead of trolling that community, they tried just coming and being a part of it, they'd get less pushback.

[Nirgon]

I didn't see any ntov dragons or klandi/zlandi in your free rotation either.

Perhaps the possibility exists but we've been unable to discover the faster than light speed goal posts on the move.

I truly believe we're gonna get you there on understanding this situation. In the mean time, come for the open raid targets on green and see how simple it is. People show up, kill the mob and roll on the drops. There's no red tape like "has this person ever killed a raid mob in everquest before".

I mean, just think of the precedent being set. Are you going to tell TLP guilds that want to come over and play that they're "a TLP guild" that has killed the statue and fear golems before? Or call anyone a troll who makes good on meeting criteria and then throw them out of the UN?

Want you to seriously consider,
D.N., DDS

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shocking. Former <Aftermath> player sides with other former <Aftermath> players. Who could imagine?

It's not about checking specific boxes, like "oh we killed a Vindi on such and such date," and contesting Vulak is never going to be the bar for guilds to participate in the draft.

Seal Team, a group with 0 active presence on blue, wants to take part in events that are designed for the blue community. Maybe if instead of trolling that community, they tried just coming and being a part of it, they'd get less pushback.

Look if you want to talk about the blue community.... you're talking about players who spent over a decade on it. Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community. Many of those players in <Seal Team> helped theorycraft raid strategies we use to this day on Blue.

Phatez said some trolly shit, but i'm sure that's because how dismissive everyone was about it right off the bat.

Now, i'm not saying 1 vindi = serpentine draft entry, i'd like to see them attempt to compete/kill a mob once or twice a week. But outright dismissal due to their focus on the green server is wrong in my elf law opinion.