"Need before greed"

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should never roll on an item thinking that you're going to get anywhere near the Wiki price. The item values on the Wiki are often best-case scenario. They're also subject to fairly rapid change on a fresh server like Green. You should also take into consideration that the time you spend sitting in EC is time you could be spending leveling up your character and collecting increasingly valuable loot. That single roll might actually end up costing you precious plat in the long run.

Second of all, you need to ask yourself if not allowing the casters in your group to loot a potentially BiS item is worth your reputation. One or more of the people who watched you do that might never want to group with you again, even if they didn't need the item. Pixel lust is certainly one of the ways that I gauge a person's character on P99. That one moment might have cost you a lot of future groups with cool people who would have allowed you to loot whatever you needed, no questions asked. That's how my buddies and I roll. You do something decent for us and we pay you back tenfold.

You might also be giving an item to an unappreciative person, but I'd rather err on the side of 'doing the right thing' because it feels good to rise above the pixel lust by letting go of all attachment to a potentially big-ticket item.

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[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should never roll on an item thinking that you're going to get anywhere near the Wiki price. The item values on the Wiki are often best-case scenario. They're also subject to fairly rapid change on a fresh server like Green. You should also take into consideration that the time you spend sitting in EC is time you could be spending leveling up your character and collecting increasingly valuable loot. That single roll might actually end up costing you precious plat in the long run.

Second of all, you need to ask yourself if not allowing the casters in your group to loot a potentially BiS item is worth your reputation. One or more of the people who watched you do that might never want to group with you again, even if they didn't need the item. Pixel lust is certainly one of the ways that I gauge a person's character on P99. That one moment might have cost you a lot of future groups with cool people who would have allowed you to loot whatever you needed, no questions asked. That's how my buddies and I roll. You do something decent for us and we pay you back tenfold.

You might also be giving an item to an unappreciative person, but I'd rather err on the side of 'doing the right thing' because it feels good to rise above the pixel lust by letting go of all attachment to a potentially big-ticket item.

Considering your reputation is absolutely important in this game, but I don't think having everyone roll equally on an item is going to harm it. If everyone understood the loot rules from the beginning, an item drops, and then they all roll nobody is going to consider it gross misconduct on your part. About the only way this is applicable is if everyone thinks they are going to NBG (whether because that's stated or implied) and then when the item drops you either force everyone to random despite protest, or outright ninja-loot it and refuse a roll.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by Siege [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should never roll on an item thinking that you're going to get anywhere near the Wiki price. The item values on the Wiki are often best-case scenario. They're also subject to fairly rapid change on a fresh server like Green. You should also take into consideration that the time you spend sitting in EC is time you could be spending leveling up your character and collecting increasingly valuable loot. That single roll might actually end up costing you precious plat in the long run.

Second of all, you need to ask yourself if not allowing the casters in your group to loot a potentially BiS item is worth your reputation. One or more of the people who watched you do that might never want to group with you again, even if they didn't need the item. Pixel lust is certainly one of the ways that I gauge a person's character on P99. That one moment might have cost you a lot of future groups with cool people who would have allowed you to loot whatever you needed, no questions asked. That's how my buddies and I roll. You do something decent for us and we pay you back tenfold.

You might also be giving an item to an unappreciative person, but I'd rather err on the side of 'doing the right thing' because it feels good to rise above the pixel lust by letting go of all attachment to a potentially big-ticket item.

I am no longer religious but i'd like and subscribe this message.

[Swish]

Remember that T-staff drop in KC? lol

[Evia]

I love all this kumbaya shit! Really no troll I do! It’s inspiring to see a bunch of white knights ‘rising above the pixel lust’ and supporting one another’s characters to help them reach their goals and achievements. Also incredible you’re all running into NBG groups as the ‘norm’

But seriously what p99 servers you guys on? LOL. I’d say it’s a 90/10 ratio on loot rules in pick up groups and that 10 being the percentage to utilize NBG. Maybe on live it was more 50/50 or even favoring NBG a bit.

The reason my opinion shifted from a fierce NBG supporter (for everything you guys have already mentioned) into a fierce ‘Everyone rolls for anything valuable’ is because having everyone roll is the fairest system. This way you’re not taking away a contributors ability to benefit from the kill. All members of the party get equal shot at the riches. No matter if the winner benefits via equipping or selling the item, the end results the same...character upgrades. The NBG mindset TOTALLY applies when the item is NO DROP because the only way anyone is benefiting from that kill are those who can EQUIP IT.

Now my opinion does stay NBG a bit more in regards to spells and words... unless the spell or word in question is worth 3x my net worth. Still tho I’d pass on Torpor for example if I was grouped with a 60 shaman that would scribe the thing on the spot. If he’s 59 tho probably not! He doesn’t technically need it at the time...

Lol see so I’m not exactly black and white on the topic either... and tbh will generally always be down to go along with NBG groups if that’s the groups majority opinion. Just maybe I wouldn’t be disillusioned into believing that by utilizing a NBG system you’re the Fair and Just Saint doing the ‘right’ thing in the scenario cause ehhhhhh, it can easily be debated that being fair to ALL is actually the right way to be excellent to everyone equally.

[Hazek]

Been linking the item and saying "roll" and its been working.

Also 100% of items i've sold or bought have been the average wiki price

[bum3]

So what is it about p99 that lures in the poopsockers, greedy people, and general asshats? Is it because the nice, good people don't stick around? They get driven off? I mean for years there has been endless posts of people saying I loved blue until I reached 50 and had to deal with X people. Pre 50 people are generally nice. It's just 50 on teal/green is 35.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what is it about p99 that lures in the poopsockers, greedy people, and general asshats? Is it because the nice, good people don't stick around? They get driven off? I mean for years there has been endless posts of people saying I loved blue until I reached 50 and had to deal with X people. Pre 50 people are generally nice. It's just 50 on teal/green is 35.

My hunch is that, generally speaking, well-adjusted people aren't want to going to spend their time playing an emulator of a super grindy, very repetitive, very unforgiving 20-year-old game. Most of us having played original EQ are 30+ in age now and we're still spending a ton of our time playing video games so by definition we're pretty much manchildren. And to willingly spend a ton of time in a game like EverQuest, you're probably going to be pretty autistic.

[Grakken]

The only reason there are so many NBG PUGs this early on is because the majority of players need lots of gear. As soon as the masses start having gear in most slots people will start to resent under geared players expecting more loot than everyone else.


People will claim all sorts of altruism when it befits their self back patting narrative. In a year everyone will come to the conclusion NBG PUGs are dumb and the narrative will magically change.

[Kanuvan]

only these very forums would tell me im losing out on plat by rolling and winning on a high value item because my time spent selling that high value item could be spent farming pennies from HHK guards