How do I report a named kill steal? - Page 18

Jimjam · #**171** 01-26-2019, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bricke75 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How was it technically uncamped? Because there's no place holder? Sitting there actively for almost 6 hours means nothing then. Interesting.

Did you kill the previous Hadden and he drop a fishing pole? Did you kill axe broad smith? That's two ways you can claim the camp. Just being in the area without killing anything doesn't mean you have the camp.

bricke75 · #**172** 01-26-2019, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you kill the previous Hadden and he drop a fishing pole? Did you kill axe broad smith? That's two ways you can claim the camp. Just being in the area without killing anything doesn't mean you have the camp.

Since when do you have to kill the previous Hadden? Especially when no one else is there camping him? The rules clearly state logging off gives up the camp. Which Drest did.

"In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off."

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=132299

Not being sarcastic. If that is really the rule, then fine. I'd just like proof. Not hearsay.

Toothed · #**173** 01-26-2019, 06:02 PM

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+1

Mob was technically uncamped and under FTE status.

I would like to thank again all the sane people I have discussed this with (mostly in game). I would also like to thank the people who helped me secure an earring after I was ACTUALLY ks'd at this very camp. Mob was uncamped and under FTE status describes the situation that took place on this fateful day. But as his character was physically there (albeit afk (fte)) I would have given him the earring in a heartbeat and then continued my camp IF the earring had dropped. This is all really just a mute point at this point in a 17 mile long thread. Have some common sense when playing this game and don't let your emotions get the better of you over a video game. This has been stressful for no reason as but to your toxic behavior. Let this be a lesson for us all don't feed the trolls.

Jimjam · #**174** 01-26-2019, 06:12 PM

Bricks, I did not say Drest had the camp. Bolding the words log off does nothing to refute my point. I'm not claiming Drest had the camp, no one is saying that. You are wasting your effort to prove he didn't have the camp.

In response to your question. Fishing rod Hadden is the PH for fishbone earring Hadden. As per the rules you quoted did you kill the previous Hadden? No. You could argue you were killing the mobs 'in the room' if you had been locking down Axe Broadsmith, which as far as I am aware you had not being doing.

As such the camp was not yours. Hadden was open season and you failed to FTE.

Indeed

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Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission

As we have determined you had not killed the previous PH nor kept the room clear, all you have shown is you jumped in on another players mob (through FTE) and QED kill stole it.

You're lucky the majority have took your side as this could have been an epic backfire thread.

bricke75 · #**175** 01-26-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bricks, I did not say Drest had the camp. Bolding the words log off does nothing to refute my point. I'm not claiming Drest had the camp, no one is saying that. You are wasting your effort to prove he didn't have the camp.

In response to your question. Fishing rod Hadden is the PH for fishbone earring Hadden. As per the rules you quoted did you kill the previous Hadden? No. You could argue you were killing the mobs 'in the room' if you had been locking down Axe Broadsmith, which as far as I am aware you had not being doing.

As such the camp was not yours. Hadden was open season and you failed to FTE.

Indeed

As we have determined you had not killed the previous PH nor kept the room clear, all you have shown is you jumped in on another players mob (through FTE) and QED kill stole it.

You're lucky the majority have took your side as this could have been an epic backfire thread.

Alright.

Evia · #**176** 01-26-2019, 06:22 PM

Lol what? Who camps hadden and kills axe broadsmith in order to claim the camp? Thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard. If someone is sitting at haddens spot, they're camping him. Whoever was sitting in the spot first, owns the camp.

The lawyer questing is getting out of control.

loramin · #**177** 01-26-2019, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In response to your question. Fishing rod Hadden is the PH for fishbone earring Hadden. As per the rules you quoted did you kill the previous Hadden? No. You could argue you were killing the mobs 'in the room' if you had been locking down Axe Broadsmith, which as far as I am aware you had not being doing.

As such the camp was not yours. Hadden was open season and you failed to FTE.

I don't believe that's how it works. Think about it: if it was, then no one could ever claim any mob unless they killed the PH first ... but they could never have claimed that PH without having killed it's PH first, and they could never have claimed ...

Clearly if you show up to a camp, and no one else is claiming that camp, you can claim that camp, whether or not you killed the PH, and whether or not the mob is up at the moment or not. The only requirement to claim a camp/spawn point as your own is that it not be taken already and that you are prepared to engage the mob when it spawns (eg. you can't claim a level 60 mob with your level 1).

bricke75 · #**178** 01-26-2019, 06:25 PM

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Lol what? Who camps hadden and kills axe broadsmith in order to claim the camp? Thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard. If someone is sitting at haddens spot, they're camping him. Whoever was sitting in the spot first, owns the camp.

The lawyer questing is getting out of control.

I was going to say the same thing, but didn't. I've never seen someone kill Axe Broadsmith to hold the camp, but arguing with JimJam seemed a colossal waste of time.

bricke75 · #**179** 01-26-2019, 06:27 PM

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I don't believe that's how it works. Think about it: if it was, then no one could ever claim any mob unless they killed the PH first ... but they could never have claimed that PH without having killed it's PH first, and they could never have claimed ...

Clearly if you show up to a camp, and no one else is claiming that camp, you can claim that camp, whether or not you killed the PH, and whether or not the mob is up at the moment or not. The only requirement to claim a camp/spawn point as your own is that it not be taken already and that you are prepared to engage the mob when it spawns (eg. you can't claim a level 60 mob with your level 1).

Agreed. That's how the rules work, IMO (and most people).

Jimjam · #**180** 01-26-2019, 06:27 PM

Longest person there is just a gentlemanly concession to which many players abide. It doesn't give rights to the camp.

No one clears Axe for 6 hours because it would be a dumb waste of time.

However, neither of these facts mean you're entitled to undisputed Haddens just because you've been sat there for 333 minutes.

Agree on the lawyer thing, but if people throw about accusations of kill stealing and rule breaking then we need to make reference to the rules.

If B had just said what D did was uncool I'd agree. But that's not the angle B chose to pursue.

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe that's how it works. Think about it: if it was, then no one could ever claim any mob unless they killed the PH first ... but they could never have claimed that PH without having killed it's PH first, and they could never have claimed ...

Clearly if you show up to a camp, and no one else is claiming that camp, you can claim that camp, whether or not you killed the PH, and whether or not the mob is up at the moment or not. The only requirement to claim a camp/spawn point as your own is that it not be taken already and that you are prepared to engage the mob when it spawns (eg. you can't claim a level 60 mob with your level 1).

I don't see the problem. The mob is unclaimed until a ph is killed, the subsequent spawns are then claimed by the killer until they log off or win the item they are after. If they choose they can hand off the camp to the next person on their list (provided that person is there for the next spawn) otherwise the next spawn is FTE again.