My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People seem to have a lot of crazy ideas about what feminism is

meanwhile every feminist thinks trump is a nazi and goign to start world war 3...

do you see how what YOU think the feminist movement is, is not what OTHERS see when they hear feminists explain what the feminist movement is?

You have to rationalize your love of feminism to someone who doesnt care, the exact same way a libtard needs a trump supporter to explain "what it is he meant by that tweet"

you have injected your personal ideology into the idiology of the hive mind, but it doesn't work like that

Simply put, if you are a feminist now, that means white men are privlaged accross the board and deserve discrimination to balance history, and if you disagree with that then you are wrong and should either not talk at all or be forcibly removed from the conversation all together.

If you dont think that is the ideology of the feminist hive mind, then again, you are injecting your own individual ideology into the hive minds, and your ideology means nothing.

You can explain all you want about what YOUR beliefs are, but they are not the belifes of the hive mind and when you defend the hive mind but use your beliefs to do it, you just come off as crazy.

Feminism is a mob, out for justice, it's just on the internet, so it has become a mob that cannot disperse. Which is VERY dangerous.

Imagine if the KKK in the 1960s had the internet? That image is basically what has become of your movement.

[JurisDictum]

Turns out like 20% of people or something are into BDSM -- so you can expect its leather bound presence in popular culture and media for a long time.

Actually just googled it -- looks like its 36% of Americans compared to a 20% worldwide average. I'm going to blame that one on Christianity.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Turns out like 20% of people or something are into BDSM -- so you can expect its leather bound presence in popular culture and media for a long time.

Actually just googled it -- looks like its 36% of Americans compared to a 20% worldwide average. I'm going to blame that one on Christianity.

Leather looks awesome. Even those of us not into BDSM like how it looks.

Leather and sexual torture is not awesome.

Guess I fall into the 64% that aint into BDSM.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually just googled it -- looks like its 36% of Americans compared to a 20% worldwide average. I'm going to blame that one on Christianity.

wouldn't think it was maybe rooted in a glut of individual liberty and a burning need to escape the torment and fatigue of exces choice in the absence of relevance?

[loramin]

The massive amount of misinformation about feminism here is overwhelming. You guys are Don Quixote, fighting windmill monsters that don't exist. In fact, I'm willing to bet that I'm the only one in this thread who has actually known multiple real-life people involved in the feminist movement. The vast majority of you probably don't know even know one, and many likely don't even know anyone who identifies as a feminist.

The "glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" is antithetical to the feminist movement (going back to the very earliest days when temperance and feminism overlapped). Now melon if I understand your point, it's that "well they don't like that stuff, but they're stupid and do stupid counterproductive things which ultimately results in the glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" ... to which I say bullshit. Or at least, you have to back such an extraordinary claim up with something: I can claim the Republican party has a pro-gay agenda (and back it up by showing all the stupid things Republicans have done historically that have ultimately furthered gay rights) ... but that'd be a stupid argument to make. I certainly wouldn't just say "Republicans <3 gays: you are probably better equipped to figure it out than i am to explain it".

As for "adherents of radical feminism believe that egalitarianism means eradicating the desire for men and women to partake in domination games", these "radical feminists" are almost exclusively in people's imagination. I mean sure, you can find crazy people willing to say crazy things on any side of an argument, but again I have known a lot of feminists, and none of them were anything like that.

In fact they were all, every last one of them, far more sex-positive than your average person. They generally had a much better understanding of the concept that the human brain (and thus sex) is weird, and that there's nothing wrong with weirdness like BDSM as long as both parties are consenting and having fun.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What laws do feminists want?

Crazy, insane liberal stuff, like greater legal protection against discrimination, harassment, rape and abuse, better support of women in abusive relationships, equal pay for equal work (the details of how to implement this one issue probably does vary between liberals/conservatives), elimination of child marriage, access to abortion (and female healthcare in general) for all women, more teaching of STEM to young girls, etc.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The massive amount of misinformation about feminism here is overwhelming. You guys are Don Quixote, fighting windmill monsters that don't exist. In fact, I'm willing to bet that no one in this thread knows more than one actual real-life person involved in the feminist movement. In fact, the vast majority of you probably don't know even a single one; hell you probably don't even know anyone who even identifies as a feminist.

The "glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" is antithetical to the feminist movement. Now melon if I understand your point, it's that "well they don't like that stuff, but they're stupid and do stupid counterproductive things which ultimately results in the glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" ... to which I say bullshit. Or at least, you have to back that up with something: I can claim the Republican party has a pro-gay agenda (and back it up by showing all the stupid things Republicans have done historically that have ultimately furthered gay rights) ... but that'd be a stupid argument to make.

As for "adherents of radical feminism believe that egalitarianism means eradicating the desire for men and women to partake in domination games", these "radical feminists" are mostly in people's imagination. I mean sure, you can find crazy people willing to say crazy things on any side of an argument, but again I have known a lot of (active) feminists, and none of them were anything like that.

In fact they were all, every last one of them, sex positive. In fact, they generally had a much better understanding of the concept that the human brain (and thus sex) is weird, and that there's nothing wrong with weirdness like BDSM as long as both parties are consenting and having fun, than your average person.

I suggest to you that the feminism you are learning at college doesn't exist.

What they do is the same thing this woman did. "Well there's asshole men out there that think its wrong to wear a mini skirt as a hot girl in her 20s -- and telling this kind of guy off is really important even though no even fucking agrees with him."

Trust me, plenty of feminist types think if you like getting dominated by men you are somehow less feminist. But its not a real problem is it? It's a rich housewife kind of problem.

That's what the middle-elite ranged women don't see. It's silly time in the feminist world ATM. It's time to distract the plebs -- not help out poor women...

Edit: Keep in mind -- I don't go around saying this about every Social Justice movement. I just honestly think white and white-acting women are basically fine in America now. At least from a policy directional standpoint. There more of a watchdog at this point as far as use goes.

Blacks are trying for criminal justice reform -- but a lot of opportunists are kind of doing what the BDSM lady did in the above article. Using this as a moment to get attention and not looking at the big picture of whats going to help achieve criminal justice reform....but always happens in every movement.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just honestly think white and white-acting women are basically fine in America now. At least from a policy directional standpoint.

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am a feminist, but I am by no means a modern one. I believe women reached equality in the 1980s.

It's always easiest to deny privilege when you're the one benefiting from it. Like white people don't have privilege ... they just don't have to worry about being framed or beat up when they get pulled over ... but that's not privilege.

In this case it comes down to a single question (I mean actually a lot more, but this one is the easiest/simplest): have you been raped in your life? No? Might it have something to do with your 1/2 (actually a lot less than that, but I don't want to argue over rape stats) chance of being raped?

I guess if being raped is no big deal then yeah, women are totally equal to men in our society.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's always easiest to deny privilege when you're the one benefiting from it. Like white people don't have privilege ... they just don't have to worry about being framed or beat up when they get pulled over ... but that's not privelege.

Have you been raped in your life? No? Might have something to do with your 1/2 (actually a lot less than that, but I don't want to argue over rape stats) chance.

But I guess if being raped is no big deal then yeah, women are totally equal to men in our society.

yes I have been raped.

once by a man and once by a fat woman while I was blacked out and woke up with her on top of me.

[Rader]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes I have been raped.

once by a man and once by a fat woman while I was blacked out and woke up with her on top of me.

"Falling" onto phallic-shaped objects isn't actually rape.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The massive amount of misinformation about feminism here is overwhelming. You guys are Don Quixote, fighting windmill monsters that don't exist. In fact, I'm willing to bet that I'm the only one in this thread who has actually known multiple real-life people involved in the feminist movement. The vast majority of you probably don't know even know one, and many likely don't even know anyone who identifies as a feminist.

The "glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" is antithetical to the feminist movement (going back to the very earliest days when temperance and feminism overlapped). Now melon if I understand your point, it's that "well they don't like that stuff, but they're stupid and do stupid counterproductive things which ultimately results in the glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" ... to which I say bullshit.

of course you do and that is part of the reason why I did not bother investing anymore in my last post than i did. this became evident in our last exchange :c had you any genuine
interest in propagating truth, or even understanding, you'd have worked with me in a focused discussion by answering my questions OR asking more of your own.

Instead, you want a source war. I'm sorry, but I don't know what information you need to make sense of my argument and I neither catalogue nor remember much of anything. I'm neither interested in nor capable of shoving piles of information back and forth. i do however possess an exceptional talent for discrimination and offered it for your use, but you just ignored it :c

you write a lot and have a lot of information ^^ I cannot address everything you say at once, nor am I interested in addressing every tangent you introduce when you ignore the substance of my argument :c

Or at least, you have to back such an extraordinary claim up with something: I can claim the Republican party has a pro-gay agenda (and back it up by showing all the stupid things Republicans have done historically that have ultimately furthered gay rights) ... but that'd be a stupid argument to make. I certainly wouldn't just say "Republicans <3 gays: you are probably better equipped to figure it out than i am to explain it".

As for "adherents of radical feminism believe that egalitarianism means eradicating the desire for men and women to partake in domination games", these "radical feminists" are almost exclusively in people's imagination. I mean sure, you can find crazy people willing to say crazy things on any side of an argument, but again I have known a lot of feminists, and none of them were anything like that.

In fact they were all, every last one of them, far more sex-positive than your average person. They generally had a much better understanding of the concept that the human brain (and thus sex) is weird, and that there's nothing wrong with weirdness like BDSM as long as both parties are consenting and having fun.



Crazy, insane liberal stuff, like greater legal protection against discrimination, harassment, rape and abuse, better support of women in abusive relationships, equal pay for equal work (the details of how to implement this one issue probably does vary between liberals/conservatives), elimination of child marriage, access to abortion (and female healthcare in general) for all women, more teaching of STEM to young girls, etc.