@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hm no. Infernus got FTE, realized they couldn't get the bodies to kill, asked CSG to assist, CSG came to assist, we failed the pull a few times, re-FTEed when the hour was up (Aftermath was killing Yelinak at the time I believe) and killed it fairly quickly after.

That's a key detail that was left out of what I heard. Makes sense now

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hm no. Infernus got FTE, realized they couldn't get the bodies to kill, asked CSG to assist, CSG came to assist, we failed the pull a few times, re-FTEed when the hour was up (Aftermath was killing Yelinak at the time I believe) and killed it fairly quickly after.

Problem is when a guild gets FTE and obviously can't kill it and then goes past their hour. The mob becomes FFA and then when CSG shows up and claim they got a new FTE the original guild should not be allowed onto the agro table. Not to mention the fact that said dragon hadn't even been up long enough to go to ffa before CSG claimed they got a new FTE. But instead CSG then helped infernus kill the dragon. It's the same shit as some guild who was already locked into a FTE, when say rustle gets statue, from being unable to assist until aow. Basically infernus took a FTE they couldn't kill and delayed an hour so CSG could show up and kill it for them. Seems pretty bullshit

[kotton05]

Even without rotations what we have now is better than what skew quoted

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem is when a guild gets FTE and obviously can't kill it and then goes past their hour. The mob becomes FFA and then when CSG shows up and claim they got a new FTE the original guild should not be allowed onto the agro table. Not to mention the fact that said dragon hadn't even been up long enough to go to ffa before CSG claimed they got a new FTE. But instead CSG then helped infernus kill the dragon. It's the same shit as some guild who was already locked into a FTE, when say rustle gets statue, from being unable to assist until aow. Basically infernus took a FTE they couldn't kill and delayed an hour so CSG could show up and kill it for them. Seems pretty bullshit

I am sure this would be right if you were talking about bullshit guilds full of idiots always looking for loopholes and trying to game the system on the borders of the rules for more pixels. But you are not.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sure this would be right if you were talking about bullshit guilds full of idiots always looking for loopholes and trying to game the system on the borders of the rules for more pixels. But you are not.

Problem is something can't be against the rules for one group but ok for another, or else you will never get the raid equality you want...

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem is when a guild gets FTE and obviously can't kill it and then goes past their hour. The mob becomes FFA and then when CSG shows up and claim they got a new FTE the original guild should not be allowed onto the agro table. Not to mention the fact that said dragon hadn't even been up long enough to go to ffa before CSG claimed they got a new FTE. But instead CSG then helped infernus kill the dragon. It's the same shit as some guild who was already locked into a FTE, when say rustle gets statue, from being unable to assist until aow. Basically infernus took a FTE they couldn't kill and delayed an hour so CSG could show up and kill it for them. Seems pretty bullshit

We've FTEd Vyemm in the morning hours and not been able to get the right force in place within an hour. I'm sure Infernus believed they could kill it within the hour. Nothing wrong with it.

[t3kn34k]

Fixing the current racing rules for more 'fair' competition is simple with a few tweaks to the current system.

-Coth for FTE would be much better (if you're looking for a fair playing field) //this is the most important change. There is always going to be someone doing sketch shit with the footraces... sorry, but its true.
-2 max past zone in (server rules) would mean guilds have to select mage placement based on what is in window.
-Keep the 1hour lock but maybe change the lock a little (1 hour exclusive lock in but also locked out from new FTEs for 1 hour seems to make the most sense)
Add the following mobs to 1hour lock:
-Dain
-Klandicar
-Zlandicar
-Yelinak

EZ
(but no one will read this so continue your regularly scheduled thread)

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We've FTEd Vyemm in the morning hours and not been able to get the right force in place within an hour. I'm sure Infernus believed they could kill it within the hour. Nothing wrong with it.

Did we then call in another guild to get the FTE when it "went ffa" and the proceded to help them kill vymme? The difference is Infernus shouldn't have ever been on the agro logs if they had their 1hr and failed. What is stopping every guild of 10 people from running for FTEs and just calling in one of the bigger guilds, or just another casual guild, to help them kill something? I means it's pretty much already a thing, except everyone allows CSG to be 3 entities all racing for the same FTEs.

I mean shit, if this is legal then why shouldn't everyone split into their own smaller guilds to go get FTEs and sell them to bigger guilds?

[Vallanor]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did we then call in another guild to get the FTE when it "went ffa" and the proceded to help them kill vymme? The difference is Infernus shouldn't have ever been on the agro logs if they had their 1hr and failed. What is stopping every guild of 10 people from running for FTEs and just calling in one of the bigger guilds, or just another casual guild, to help them kill something? I means it's pretty much already a thing, except everyone allows CSG to be 3 entities all racing for the same FTEs.

I mean shit, if this is legal then why shouldn't everyone split into their own smaller guilds to go get FTEs and sell them to bigger guilds?

If you have an active FTE at the time a smaller guild gets their FTE, you can't join them in the fight even after you kill your mob. Basically, you end up being included in their FTE lock and normal server rules apply.

Not sure if that answers your question or not. But in short, there is nothing stopping anyone from splitting into smaller guilds, getting FTEs, then calling in the big guys. Of course, if the big guys don't show and your hour is up, they can just swoop in and take your FTE.

[Phantasm]

What are you looking for here Maner ? An apology ? Infernus gave a mob a shot, realized they were in over their heads and an hour passed with them not securing the mob. CSG got the fresh FTE and said hey infernus we'll show you some things on how we do this mob. Whats wrong with this? You're making mountains out of molehills