Paris attack thread

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the modern world just need to ban all practice of religion at this point, especially islam, it's the most evil out of the main ones but ban all of it, any radical beliefs based on some story made up by some guy 3000 years ago is dumb as fuck

check this With Open Gates Video, it's a little bit fear mongering but a lot of it in there is true.

Ohhh No!!!! An Anders Brevik follower!! Arrest him.

Smedy unpatriotic and islamaphobic!

[Nastinate]

You work hard to build a wonderful, beautiful house on a hill, with a verdant garden and well kept lawn, with ornate decorations and plenty of rooms. Due to your hard work, your bathrooms are cleaner than your neighbors kitchens. There is trust in your family, everyone generally follows the rules, and each family member usually cares for one another.

Your neighbor is constantly fighting with his friends and family; violent bloody brawls that spill over into neighboring houses and trash their property. He isn't lazy or stupid, but instead of channeling his energy into building a prosperous life and improving his property, he tries to take shortcuts. There is a lack of trust in his household, and the social bonds between family members are tenuous at best as they barricade their rooms, brutalize each other, and disrespect the rules of their own house.

Eventually they look up at your house and decide they are going to leave their homes in search of a better life at your house. Once there, one of them brutally murders your daughter.

Of course we care more when it happens to us. When you see some idiot parent with two spoiled rotten hyperactive kids who destroy everything they encounter, do you go to their household and start parenting for them? What about when you're forced to adopt one of those kids and they terrorize your family? Can you honestly tell me you care more for foreign strangers than your family?

The fact that you expect everyone else to care just as much for foreign people, whose problems we aren't even capable of solving for them, as your own countrymen, just demonstrates the extent to which you're willing to ignore history, sociology, and simple basic reason. Western society didn't happen on accident, it's the result of a legacy of hard work, good values, trust, compassion, and plenty of mistakes. It doesn't make us assholes to build a beautiful life and then be angry when some slob comes and shits on it.

You left out the part about going over to his house for 60 years wreaking the place and telling him how to live. You make it sound like we are all over here minding our own business. That is exactly the opposite of reality.

Heres an analogy for ya.

Man the Akbah's house has really looked like shit since I had accidently lite the garage on fire the last 4th of july bbq. They need to put up some new siding and paint that fucker. And whats with him and his wife fighting all the time, I only fucked her once. Gonna go over there and set this right. He better not lock the door again, my foots still bruised from kicking it in the last time.


How about you pick up a history book and read about the middle eastern governments and society pre WW2 before the west got involved. We have destabilized the entire region to the point where mass killings happen on a daily basis.

Eventually they look up at your house and decide they are going to leave their homes in search of a better life at your house.

He's been watching us drive to work everyday off oil wells we planted on his front lawn and sipping starbucks we could afford, you know with gas prices these days.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Nastinate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You left out the part about going over to his house for 60 years wreaking the place and telling him how to live. You make it sound like we are all over here minding our own business. That is exactly the opposite of reality.

Heres an analogy for ya.

Man the Akbah's house has really looked like shit since I had accidently lite the garage on fire the last 4th of july bbq. They need to put up some new siding and paint that fucker. And whats with him and his wife fighting all the time, I only fucked her once. Gonna go over there and set this right. He better not lock the door again, my foots still bruised from kicking it in the last time.


How about you pick up a history book and read about the middle eastern governments and society pre WW2 before the west got involved. We have destabilized the entire region to the point where mass killings happen on a daily basis.

He's been watching us drive to work everyday off oil wells we planted on his front lawn and sipping starbucks we could afford, you know with gas prices these days.

Yep, blame whitey. Oh wait, we went over and fucked up China and Japan too, and they are doing just fine. And 1,000 years ago, Europe was ravaged by powerful Muslim civilizations who went as far as Vienna and the Pyranees. How did we ever recover from the victimization!?!?! England and the Norman coast from viking rampages? How did pretty much the entire Eurasian world ever recover from being utterly raped by Genghis Khan and the Mongols? Europe was wreckage after World War II. World War I decimated an entire generation of men. Does Spain blame their problems on the Moors for occupying most of their country for hundreds of years? Get real.

It's so much easier to blame someone else for your problems than to take responsibility for them. Every other human society has demonstrated resiliency, so it's not an excuse.

Truth is, the Middle East was a backwards retrograde clusterfuck before we arrived, during, and after. They declined on their own when Europe adopted Enlightenment ideals and they didn't. Iraq and Afghanistan weren't some idyllic paradises before white devils showed up. Ethiopia was never even colonized.

[Nastinate]

It's so much easier to blame someone else for your problems than to take responsibility for them. Every other human society has demonstrated resiliency, so it's not an excuse.

Exactly

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Nastinate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly

No, what you're advocating is us taking responsibility for their problems. The white guilt levels required to look at the murder of 129 innocent civilians as our fault are astounding.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, what you're advocating is us taking responsibility for their problems. The white guilt levels required to look at the murder of 129 innocent civilians as our fault are astounding.

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...vilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/0...Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...vilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/0...Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Lune would be happier never hearing about the middle east ever again.
Unfortunately the reality is that Islam by nature will attempt to subvert and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

oh yea and our join or die largest military force on the planet shooting missles arming psycotics while sheltered nerds post GET EM GET EM on the internet ad nauseam isnt identical.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately the reality is that Islam by nature will attempt to subvert and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

It just isn't ready for primetime.

Sharia is anti-capitalist. Moderates passively supporting Sharia are the issue were trying to tackle with integration. If we can turn enough moderates against Sharia then Islam won't need a Reformation into the new age. Governments are operating under the belief that many do assimilate, there was a good article on UK Islamic immigration regarding certain neighborhoods and cities beliefs and behavior in a recent issue of the Economist periodical.

The Economist is a great periodical for current world issues and news I'd highly recommend it btw. Its incredibly well edited, no spin, and the economic lens is undetectable in its articles. Its not what you would think by the name of the periodical.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...vilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/0...Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you not understand that the US government has played an instrumental role in the Syrian civil war by funding and training the rebels? That we have done the same in Libya? This isn't comparable to some Viking raid that happened a thousand years ago. US imperialism is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Arabs in the past five years. All so we could have an oil pipeline through Syria to Europe from Saudi Arabia rather than Iran so the corporations that run our government can make more money.

Would Muslim Arabia be a shining beacon of liberalism without Western interference? Of course not. But to imply that the US and the West are blameless here is pretty hypocritical.

I know this. Do you think I want the US to have anything to do with the Middle East? You think I don't know our foreign policy is completely retarded?

No matter what the cause, we have a responsibility to defend the West from terrorism. And given Muslim values, I'd be willing to bet that even if we hadn't interfered in the Middle East historically, Westerners would still be dying to extremists today. Dutch and French cartoonists were killed simply for drawing a cartoon.

And IYRD if you want to call me a racist why don't you explain to me why this isn't true:

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One is a religion that heavily influences many cultures.

The other is a race.

Also nobody is saying all Muslims are terrorists, only that (for the 10th time this thread) Islamic cultures tend to be more conducive to religious violence. I take issue with the behaviors and beliefs that characterize these cultures, and I will explain why.

I feel like, even though when I took Anthropology I had cultural relativism drilled into my head and I believed it for years, you seriously need to bring yourself to understand culture. Understand the difference between culture and race, and the profound extent to which someone's culture influences the course of their life, and how it can evolve over time.

Consider the basic essence of what culture is:

There are two groups of humans living in a forest. Group A reveres fire, and devotes all its spare time to worshiping and experimenting with fire. Group B reveres wood, and spends its time worshiping trees and making things out of wood. Over several generations, due to group A's obsession with fire, they discover that if you put certain rocks in the fire, they will melt and make metal. Over a few more generations, they discover that you can shape this metal into a sharp, durable point that makes an incredible weapon or tool.

Group B, in spite of being just as ingenious as group A, are limited by the fact that wood simply doesn't have as many wondrous applications as metal. Due to their amazing new tools and weapons, group A is able to build a more complex society and their metal utterly outclasses group B in warfare and industry. Group A conquers group B and integrates/destroys their culture.

Group A and B are the same race of people, but which group was better at surviving in the forest? Why? How is this any different than one culture that highly values scientific exploration or educational attainment, and one that values pleasure and relaxation? Which one is going to achieve more? Are both cultures just as suitable for building a successful, advanced civilization?

Now apply this to the present situation. In the West, we endeavor to give our women many of the same rights as our men. Most Muslim cultures believe women should remain in the household with specific gender roles and limited rights. This is a Sharia provision. Pure cultural relativism says both these approaches have equal merit. I believe that is not true. I believe it's objectively better to give women rights, and I think societies that give their women rights end up being better societies. Now apply this to the full range of behaviors and beliefs that culture encompasses:

Political cartoons, educational attainment, courtship, how you treat the elderly, what age you should be when you have kids, how much you trust your neighbors, your faith in the government, your goals in life and the afterlife, dining customs. None of these things are dictated by your race, but by your culture. When you express disfavor for certain combinations of these things, you're expressing disfavor for a culture, not a race

Do you think it's fine that women aren't allowed to drive in many Middle Eastern countries, that they have minimal rights, often can't get an education, go out alone, or seek their own path in life? How would you like it if I called you racist because you disagreed with this treatment of women? As a very secular person, I disagree profoundly with the Sharia values that are so often part of Islamic cultures, and it pains me to watch a culture that I prefer make concessions and change itself to accommodate one that I dislike. Christian cultures, mainly in the West, tend to be more secular. Muslim cultures tend to be more fundamentalist. I'm a highly secular person. Even though not all Muslims are fundamentalist, a more fundamentalist culture is going to, on average, produce more fundamentalist people. Why the fuck would I approve of that culture? Not all Muslims are violent extremists, but most Muslims support Sharia law. Fuck that.

Cultural relativism is bullshit. Mulitculturalism, being founded on cultural relativism, is also bullshit.