Bernie Sanders at his best

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coal power, im sorry is dying and will eventually die.. Those jobs will be lost.

Another example is automatic cars will kill millions of jobs.

Some jobs go the way of the dodo bird, and you cant change that. Has happened, is happening, will happen.

Forcing us to rely on antiquated means of power so a few people can profit from it while using 300 union jobs as a straw man reason to vote to continue it and to inhibit research into other means of power & employment, is wrong.

Without a smart government then that's what you get... and sadly, that's what we HAVE here in the US, thanks to 30-40 years of republican policy.

Its time to try something different.

So that brings us to, social programs so those 300 people can survive until there is more work available? what do you have against that? Why do you think that is wrong?

Well giving Solindra 300 million dollars of tax payer money for them to go bankrupt a couple years later is what I have against that. And, for you to be so flippant about those 300 workers and their families is hypocritical to the "so called" compassionate ideals you so fervently express. On top of it, it's not just those 300 people it's 10s of thousands of men and women who made a good living working their asses off providing you with low cost energy every day. Solar/Wind is worthless and when the Tax Credits run out that to will die because it's inefficient. We as a company are moving to NGas and your EPA Sierra Club Nazi's have already told us they are going after that too. Coal and Oil are this country's largest natural resources and because some "special interest" HAX can put up Bullshit computer models and donate millions to democrats and squishy republicans alike were gonna turn into a 3rd world country. Jonathan Gruber was correct, the American voter is stupid.

I hope you're ready for Rolling Blackouts, because they are coming to a town near YOU

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neither side cares about the American worker anymore

Im putting this into its own post, because there is ONE PERSON who outright DOES care for the american worker, and if you dont think he does you're mistaken.

That man is Bernie Sanders.

[sOurDieSel]

Both capitalism and socialism adhere to the cultural marxist ideology of multiculturalism which encourages massive 3rd world immigration causing both systems to fail--by deflating wages and draining public coffers for social services

[ronasch]

“It is much better to enact a minimum-wage law even if it deprives these unfortunates of work… better that the state should support the inefficient wholly and prevent the multiplication of the breed than subsidize incompetence and unthrift, enabling them to bring forth more of their kind.”

Royal Meeker

Invented the minimum wage

[Garg]

Let me ask you this Ruin, what is the incentive? I've skimmed over a lot of Sanders proposals ect. I have not come across anything that to me, show any reason to want to work hard. Currently that incentive I believe is there. Work hard to achieve bigger and better (even if its simply the idea of such). Where is the incentive to work hard when everything is mandated? How much money you make, how many days off you get, how you're suppose to live your life. I just don't see an incentive to read out and get ahead in this type of environment.

Even in our broken system we have now, I do believe that those who wish to work hard will get out and succeed. When everything is handed to them there is little incentive. This is my biggest problem with welfare in its current state. We seem to be so give give give and ask nothing in return. Thus we don't encourage people to get off of the welfare programs and back into the work force. Heck we come up with new means of welfare to make life even better.

I think we have a major problem with entitlement currently going on in this country. The way we administer welfare only seems to exasperate this problem. Given the way things are currently, I can't understand how adding more welfare type programs will ever make things better.

Frankly I think we'd see a heck of a lot more people succeeding if we cut the welfare. In place of the ungodly amount of money we spend on these types of programs create jobs. It doesn't have to be big jobs, heck even cleaning the parks would be better then nothing. Anything to force people to get off of the couch and into doing something, anything, useful and constructive.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Garg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you this Ruin, what is the incentive? I've skimmed over a lot of Sanders proposals ect. I have not come across anything that to me, show any reason to want to work hard. Currently that incentive I believe is there. Work hard to achieve bigger and better (even if its simply the idea of such). Where is the incentive to work hard when everything is mandated? How much money you make, how many days off you get, how you're suppose to live your life. I just don't see an incentive to read out and get ahead in this type of environment.

Even in our broken system we have now, I do believe that those who wish to work hard will get out and succeed. When everything is handed to them there is little incentive. This is my biggest problem with welfare in its current state. We seem to be so give give give and ask nothing in return. Thus we don't encourage people to get off of the welfare programs and back into the work force. Heck we come up with new means of welfare to make life even better.

I think we have a major problem with entitlement currently going on in this country. The way we administer welfare only seems to exasperate this problem. Given the way things are currently, I can't understand how adding more welfare type programs will ever make things better.

Frankly I think we'd see a heck of a lot more people succeeding if we cut the welfare. In place of the ungodly amount of money we spend on these types of programs create jobs. It doesn't have to be big jobs, heck even cleaning the parks would be better then nothing. Anything to force people to get off of the couch and into doing something, anything, useful and constructive.

Now, in your last paragraph you are right on the same page as Bernie. Use the money our government has been giving away to create jobs. The only difference between Bernie's plan and yours is he will give the money that we have been giving to the 1 and 2% by increasing their taxes, taxing speculation trades on wall street (that economists agree are not good for business growth) and cutting payouts to corporations and banks. (which i might add is far more than what the government spends on social programs right now)

If we cut welfare, i think the only thing you'd see is white middle class Americans who have lost there job, pan-handling and posting on craigslist for jobs cleaning houses. A good example of this is the Great depression.

Truthfully if you think there is a problem with entitlement in this country, and republicans have been running our economy for the last 30 years, then you blame democrats, well, your math is just not adding up.

If you give someone money to go to collage, on average they are better off than if you handed them a mop and said go ahead, 'make your own way in life kid, oh if you dont show up at 5am tomorrow morning you're fired.' (keep in mind they already have someone mopping floor anyway, so that job isn't even available.)

This is also a great post to respond to, because again you are reaching towards ideological beliefs and hoping that economic policies will change the way our culture behaves. The truth is, we've spent 50 years doing this and the only change is that its gotten worse.

So if you look at nations where they have solid a government like Germany, Canada, England, Denmark, Australia New Zealand, all kinds of countries, there's a whole bunch, they can help the poor, they can provide security for all, and they have strong economic growth across the board.

Its time we made a change and tried to fix real problems. Its time we started looking at examples of things that have worked, and applying them to our nation, instead of just doing nothing and wishing people would work harder.

[Pokesan]

i love special interests. my favorite special interest is "special interests". it's interesting AND special.

special. interests.
(repeat 500 times)

[ronasch]

greater risk to national security?

Muslim Jihadists or Global Warming

Liberals choose global warming because it's politically incorrect to use the term
Muslim-Jihadist. I wish that was that was the reason. Lol

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