Casinos

[teija]

i vote no NPC guise machine, i like being somewhat rare XD

[Estu]

Addendum:

[Fri Oct 11 20:03:37 2013] Tecmosbardone auctions, 'WTB Rod of Annihilation 300k'
[Fri Oct 11 20:03:52 2013] You told tecmosbardone, 'what are you buying that for?'
[Fri Oct 11 20:04:00 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Necro alt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Fri Oct 11 20:04:24 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'heh sounds fun'
[Fri Oct 11 20:04:32 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'going with that + tola robe?'
[Fri Oct 11 20:07:44 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'yeah, sorry. tell hell'
[Fri Oct 11 20:07:52 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'np'
[Fri Oct 11 20:07:55 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, '1 good hit at 20 is like 2 ticks worth of dots'
[Thu Dec 19 08:27:15 2013] Tecmosbardone auctions, 'WTB Rod of Annihilation 300k'
[Thu Dec 19 08:27:40 2013] You told tecmosbardone, 'weren't you trying to buy one of those like three months ago lol'
[Thu Dec 19 08:31:02 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Yeah, have been trying since!'
[Thu Dec 19 08:31:17 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Tecmos hasnt had one since i made my necro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Thu Dec 19 08:31:40 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'wait you want two?'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:04 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Yeah, I dont like transfering it every time I want to play the other character [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:15 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'lol wow you really must have a ton of money to blow'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:23 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'if you can't be assed to transfer a 300k item =p'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:37 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'It's true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Thu Dec 19 08:33:57 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Not really BLOWING the money though, since it is a rare, cool, fun item that doesnt drop anymore'
[Thu Dec 19 08:34:08 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'that you can transfer perfectly easily =p'
[Thu Dec 19 08:34:58 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'so when do you use it on tecmos'
[Thu Dec 19 08:35:35 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'also do you suppose it would be usable as a pet weapon? that would be hilarious'
[Thu Dec 19 08:36:37 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Lol'
[Thu Dec 19 08:37:17 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'I use it on tecmos if I'm bored in a raid, when Im farming lower-level stuff like droga or faction in someplace like blackburrow, when I want to help a group out from out of the group, et'
[Thu Dec 19 08:37:38 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'Save and Loraen actually use theirs in real groups for extra dps'
[Thu Dec 19 08:37:47 2013] You told Tecmosbardone, 'I see'
[Thu Dec 19 08:38:10 2013] Tecmosbardone tells you, 'I do 15-20 dps with it on trash in sky, lol'

[Portasaurus]

Worst thread of 2014... Possibly ever.

/cry

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[zforrestal]

Also, can we have the names of said people that were using casinos as a cover for RMT's? You say it's been happening, so I'll assume those people have been banned.. so a list of names should be easy to produce .. I think we'd all like to know what casinos we've played at that were part of this terrible scheme.


Edit:

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lowering or raising the real world monetary value of platinum does nothing to curb RMT.

Umm I have to disagree.... as someone put if the risk is greater than the reward people probably wont be on either end of the curb. What is giving the real life value to plat? The LIMITED access to resource plat. If you make plat worth $5 per every 100k or 1 million plat.. I highly doubt someone is going to be buying or selling plat (or items) anytime soon.. Risk is greater than the reward... so it's possible.. now HOW to do that I don't know... except making everything easily available. Maybe you're right I might never fully understand the big picture because I can't see what you see, but what I can see is a solution that doesn't require the ban of casinos... also I don't think you answered this for me. "Can someone tell me what the big issue with RMT? Is it a legality issue, fear the server might get shut down, because people are making money, or is it just a GM rule that strongly enforce? I'm guessing it's fear that SOE will come shut down the server".. Call me an idiot sure, but I really don't have a definitive answer and I'd like to know.


hypothetically speaking... if we were able to stop all RMT's from happening.. Player Run casinos would be allowed correct? Cuz I'll figure out your RMT issue just give me time lol


Also about the petition thing... seems like everyone who talked to me when I logged back on for the first time this week told me about a petition, about a Ban against casinos that was started by the GM's..... so that's why I asked about it.. even hearing it a week ago it sounded weird to me that the GM's would start a petition.... I figured if it was true, it was to see if the majority of players didn't like casinos.

[kruptcy]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm I have to disagree.... as someone put if the risk is greater than the reward people probably wont be on either end of the curb. What is giving the real life value to plat? The LIMITED access to resource plat. If you make plat worth $5 per every 100k or 1 million plat.. I highly doubt someone is going to be buying or selling plat (or items) anytime soon.. Risk is greater than the reward... so it's possible..

This makes me irrationally angry that someone could think that changing the supply of plat will have ANY effect on the amount of RMT transactions taking place. The GM's dont *MAKE* plat worth a certain dollar value, players do that. Pretend you can buy 1k plat for $1, and with that 1k plat you can buy a.... I don't know, a bone chip. Now say the devs do something to make plat 10x easier to obtain. In Silly-Logic-Land that would discourage plat buyers because that 1k plat only goes 10% as far as it did before the change, so they would not want to spend $10 on it to buy that same bone chip. In Reality-Land, where Derubael lives, people would now charge 10k plat for the bone chip, and plat sellers would now sell 10k plat for $1 (having absolutely NO EFFECT on the illegal activities the GMs are seeking to eliminate.)

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by kruptcy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In Reality-Land, where Derubael lives, people would now charge 10k plat for the bone chip, and plat sellers would now sell 10k plat for $1 (having absolutely NO EFFECT on the illegal activities the GMs are seeking to eliminate.)

This put a smile on my face and made me snicker on a day where smiles have been hard to find [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] thank you.

Originally Posted by Tookie

"Can someone tell me what the big issue with RMT? Is it a legality issue, fear the server might get shut down, because people are making money, or is it just a GM rule that strongly enforce? I'm guessing it's fear that SOE will come shut down the server".

This question has been answered many times in the past. No one is calling you an idiot, though if you are interested in finding your answers there was a massive RMT ban wave back in March, with a news an announcement post to go along with it, that should have some answers. There's a bunch of reasons why we don't allow it (and why every MMORPG ever has made the buying and trading of in-game items for real world currency against the rules - some just enforce it more than others).

As an aside, I'm still not sure what this petition you are referring to is. There was never, to my knowledge, any kind of petition or poll. This was something we decided privately in a GM meeting the night the ruling came down.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by kruptcy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This makes me irrationally angry that someone could think that changing the supply of plat will have ANY effect on the amount of RMT transactions taking place.

Ok, so say for example the GM's put up a vendor that would give you any item you want and all the plat you want.. since the availability for everyone to get the same item has increased, the value of each item decreases.. now for this example could you see anyone taking the risk to sell or buy items with real money? Of course not.. why? Everything is available, which means it's worthless since anyone can get anything. I have changed the supply of plat and items, and I'm fairly confidant that no RMT's would happen if this was the scenario that the server decided to do....

of course that would never happen because the integrity of the game would be gone... but that handles your RMT issues.. so lets start making Vendors that give away free plat and items.

[kruptcy]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so say for example the GM's put up a vendor that would give you any item you want and all the plat you want.. since the availability for everyone to get the same item has increased, the value of each item decreases.. now for this example could you see anyone taking the risk to sell or buy items with real money? Of course not.. why? Everything is available, which means it's worthless since anyone can get anything. I have changed the supply of plat and items, and I'm fairly confidant that no RMT's would happen if this was the scenario that the server decided to do....

of course that would never happen because the integrity of the game would be gone... but that handles your RMT issues.. so lets start making Vendors that give away free plat and items.

Great, so you have introduced unlimited availability of items into this scenario in an attempt to prove that increasing the availability of plat is a good strategy to curb RMTs. ALSO, you have constructed a straw-man argument regarding a vendor that gives you any plat and item you want. I am starting to get an idea that economics and well... basic logic? aren't your strong point. Go back to you original argument and defend that, or attempt to defend this argument that is ridiculous on its face, I don't care, but pick one. You are an idiot. Look forward to your response.

[Derubael]

Whether or not casinos play a part in this enterprise isn't something I'm going to get into here, but it's hard to fully grasp without being able to see what I see.

[zforrestal]

Ok, so as far as I'm concerned they don't play into RMT's as there's no proof.(you obviously hold more of the picture than I do, but I can only go by my own perception) All that aside why is RMT such a bad thing?