[Poll by Post] Red99: A short questionnaire for our Blue community members

[tekniq]

After experience end game content and max level with raid exp on both servers, here's my opinion:

+ BLUE: Lots more people to play with all the time, better community
- BLUE: After you hit 60, there isn't much to do except make an alt, farm things, perma camped at a raid target...you really don't get to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Waiting for camps is pretty annoying too.

+ RED: There will always be PVP and you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor when 60 whether its mass pvp or small skirmishes. Fights can be fun, I fought this one guy in OoT for almost an hour and you really get a sense of accomplishment when you kill someone (especially when it's someone you dislike or someone good at pvp).
- RED: Small box..I like the small box in the sense that I can farm whatever I want most of the time, but at times it's a ghost town; if you have no friends on and you can't solo, there's nothing to do. I've found myself logging in multiple times looking for pvp I couldn't find, friends I couldn't find, so I log off.

Solution: Play both servers simultaneously when you can. If you're camping something on blue, play actively on red and vice versa. You can really enjoy both servers especially if you're doing something boring on one.

[Faisca]

Originally Posted by tekniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After experience end game content and max level with raid exp on both servers, here's my opinion:

- BLUE: After you hit 60, there isn't much to do except make an alt, farm things, perma camped at a raid target...

+ RED: There will always be PVP and you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor when 60 whether its mass pvp or small skirmishes. Fights can be fun, I fought this one guy in OoT for almost an hour and you really get a sense of accomplishment when you kill someone (especially when it's someone you dislike or someone good at pvp).

You can pvp on blue as well and fight whoever is in the mood to do the same, if that’s what you want to do. It seems everyone is forgetting that you can pvp on blue server as well. The difference is that on blue it’s optional.

I’m not buying any of this red propaganda. A server where you don’t have the option to avoid pvp is a server for grievers. The problem with it is that for the server to work it needs both grievers and preys.

The established community on red knows this very well. They don’t live for PVP. That is a lie. They live to grief others, and this propaganda is just meant to get them more prey.

[tekniq]

Originally Posted by Faisca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can pvp on blue as well and fight whoever is in the mood to do the same, if that’s what you want to do. It seems everyone is forgetting that you can pvp on blue server as well. The difference is that on blue it’s optional.

I’m not buying any of this red propaganda. A server where you don’t have the option to avoid pvp is a server for grievers. The problem with it is that for the server to work it needs both grievers and preys.

The established community on red knows this very well. They don’t live for PVP. That is a lie. They live to grief others, and this propaganda is just meant to get them more prey.

I'm not really promoting red, I'm currently playing more blue than I am red right now. Just my humble opinion.

Yes sure you can /duel someone and say "hey let me buff up then med to 100% then let's duel on the count of 3 okay?"

Red PVP isn't about griefing (the small # of red trolls that get all the media attention). It's mainly about the guerilla surprise tactics and being prepared to mitigate one. You always have to have your guard up. Making sure you check who's in the zone every 5 seconds before you decide to do an exp pull. Making sure you're always buffed, have good resists on. It's just a certain dynamic that's thrilling sometimes.

For example, there was this one guy who tried to pvp me one day, then I saw him online one day at seafurie island. I got buffed underwater and started stalking him for a few minutes until it was the best time to swim up and attack. 75% of your PVP fights on red will not be on equal footing. Most of it will be by surprise, you just always have to be prepared. Plus, there's like 50% more spells that you will use on red that have value that you probably would never touch on blue.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by tekniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I Making sure you check who's in the zone every 5 seconds before you decide to do an exp pull. Making sure you're always buffed, have good resists on. It's just a certain dynamic that's thrilling sometimes.

This sounds like an absolute nightmare. As i've said before, I tried red twice, was corpse camped and griefed off the server before getting out of the newbie zones both times. The playerbase is toxic.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Faisca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with it is that for the server to work it needs both grievers and preys.
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yep, that's exactly why all the "preys" have loged out permanently [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yep, that's exactly why all the "preys" have loged out permanently [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by tekniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After experience end game content and max level with raid exp on both servers, here's my opinion:

+ BLUE: Lots more people to play with all the time, better community
- BLUE: After you hit 60, there isn't much to do except make an alt, farm things, perma camped at a raid target...you really don't get to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Waiting for camps is pretty annoying too.

+ RED: There will always be PVP and you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor when 60 whether its mass pvp or small skirmishes. Fights can be fun, I fought this one guy in OoT for almost an hour and you really get a sense of accomplishment when you kill someone (especially when it's someone you dislike or someone good at pvp).
- RED: Small box..I like the small box in the sense that I can farm whatever I want most of the time, but at times it's a ghost town; if you have no friends on and you can't solo, there's nothing to do. I've found myself logging in multiple times looking for pvp I couldn't find, friends I couldn't find, so I log off.

Solution: Play both servers simultaneously when you can. If you're camping something on blue, play actively on red and vice versa. You can really enjoy both servers especially if you're doing something boring on one.

Good post.

[Razn]

Mostly I don't want to play red because I prefer to solo since I don't always play for long periods of time. Now that solo exp is gone I have to group with people most of which I don't like or enjoy grouping with.

[Rellapse40]

Bump cuz Juauna is a cry baby

[iruinedyourday]

My experience with pvp in eq in 15 years of live:

On blue, you're in a zone camping something, someone zones in and helps you.
In red you're in a zone camping something, someone comes in and kills you.
in blue you're trying to xp, someone helps you
in red you're trying to xp, someone tries to kill you.

In the end, red is so far behind blue in groupable equipment that you have 2 top tear raid guilds and the rest just struggle to get their class armor.

PvP is a greeeaaaaat fun way to enjoy the game, but when you want to progress it makes it very, very difficult especially for the non hardcore players.

I love pvp, I've been doing it for a long time but If it wasn't for my guild and the time I put into it, I would have transferred my live characters to a blue server long (ironic that in 24 hours after reading about 1999 I bailed faster than you can say, 'CC?'... goes to show how awesome the devs are here, thank you, thank you, thank you!!! but I digress)...

I had a guildy transfer once and I thought I'd never see him again, he came back 4 or 5 months later with devastatingly far better gear than our main tank guild leader. And we were the 3rd highest rated guild on the server and we had to work SO HARD to get there! It was very demoralizing.

EQ was never designed with PVP in mind, so it will never really function well with it, you can try, but it makes the game very difficult to play the way it was intended.. that may be a good thing for you, it may be a bad thing for you, thats for you to decide.

For me, its a bad thing. I am so happy to be able to log on and sit down and not keep my eyes peeled on the screen at all times so I can make a sandwich in the kitchen while I wait for a re-spawn without the fear of being KOSed.

For me, I think PvP would be more fun, if i could swap to a PVP server to enjoy hunting and pvp, give me a penalty of some sort, single item loot, XP loss on death, I don't care. Then when I'm done PVPing I could swap back to my blue server. You can disagree with me that's ok, the only thing that matters is that I am not moderating this awesome project 1999 so it doesnt really matter that this is my opinion, it just is [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But mark my words, no matter how exciting and big the red server seems right now, if you're playing the long game, it will be a playground for the committed 24hr eqers and a nightmare for the casuals.

(fyi saying CC in a zone is a way to find someone to grief without using Mutieq.)

I don't mean to rain on your parade Red, but I've seen this happen over and over for 15 years.