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[Edgat]

We need clear defined rules of how evidence should be given.

We were first told that logs would work then obviously that they could be fabricated

so then screen shots were good enough then we are told screen shots don't show enough

then we started using fraps/streaming apps and were told they are too blurry or that a chat window was covered by a picture

Can we please get a clear defined answer on what constitutes enough proof or at least enough proof that the GM will actually check server logs to confirm/deny the accusation instead of just saying your evidence is too blurry or your screen shot doesn't capture the exact moment player x did action y

I know the GMs are busy and lets be real here there is hardly ever a gm on red to actually show up when an infraction is happening and if they are there the infraction is probably being baited so how do we prove wrongful intent

[Derubael]

I've told a bunch of people that logs + good screenshots can work. One screenshot of some yellowtext is not going to do it. If someone's violating a rule and you can't fraps it, try spamming the screenshot button. Bind it to 'r' or something. It's really easy to turn logging on, and I encourage everyone to do so. I log everything at all times, and I don't see any reason not to. Edit your eqclient.ini file to include this line:

Log=TRUE

And every time you log in your client will automatically start recording all text information sent to your client.

As far as fraps go, no, I'm not going to accept a fraps that has your chat window and your combat log covered up. That's essential to seeing what is going on in a situation. If I can't read the text, or if your fraps is so blurry I can't even read player names to see what's going on, I'm not going to accept it as evidence.

On blue, we have a rule for fraps: 720p, text windows uncovered. I'd say the same rule applies on red. Ask lite, I've bounced multiple petitions he's submitted before even though he had a solid video, just on the grounds that I couldn't see his text windows to fully understand what was going on.

And I'm not sure how much you think we actually log server-side, but it's very little. Rogean has access to a few more pieces of information than I do (Ie, code logging for certain actions like moving items around in your inventory), but we do not log tells or chats. Logging tells would be a serious violation of our users privacy, and while it would be used for good, I don't believe it's worth compromising our players right to privacy for.

[Edgat]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've told a bunch of people that logs + good screenshots can work. One screenshot of some yellowtext is not going to do it. If someone's violating a rule and you can't fraps it, try spamming the screenshot button. Bind it to 'r' or something. It's really easy to turn logging on, and I encourage everyone to do so. I log everything at all times, and I don't see any reason not to. Edit your eqclient.ini file to include this line:

Log=TRUE

And every time you log in your client will automatically start recording all text information sent to your client.

As far as fraps go, no, I'm not going to accept a fraps that has your chat window and your combat log covered up. That's essential to seeing what is going on in a situation. If I can't read the text, or if your fraps is so blurry I can't even read player names to see what's going on, I'm not going to accept it as evidence.

On blue, we have a rule for fraps: 720p, text windows uncovered. I'd say the same rule applies on red. Ask lite, I've bounced multiple petitions he's submitted before even though he had a solid video, just on the grounds that I couldn't see his text windows to fully understand what was going on.

And I'm not sure how much you think we actually log server-side, but it's very little. Rogean has access to a few more pieces of information than I do (Ie, code logging for certain actions like moving items around in your inventory), but we do not log tells or chats. Logging tells would be a serious violation of our users privacy, and while it would be used for good, I don't believe it's worth compromising our players right to privacy for.

So if a chat window is covered instead of just moving the petition to resolved; why not say something like the chat boxes were covered?can you please provide logs for this time frame? instead of just closing the petition.

I just don't understand the second a GM responds they close the petition; instead of saying hey can we get clarification on this or this? you just say not enough evidence and close it, why not tell us what you want so we can provide it

[Gaffin 3.0]

you all have downs

[Mac Dretti]

submit video recordings

move to resolved cus not enough prof






looool

[Derubael]

Edgat:

Originally Posted by Derubael

While I greatly appreciate your taste in both bloomin onions, and fine redheaded ladies, it would be extremely helpful if next time you submit a video the chatboxes aren't covered. They usually contain info thats helpful in determining what exactly is going on.

Feel free to keep the redhead on there though. Just move her somewhere that isn't a chatbox.

that was how i responded to your petition thread with the chatboxes covered =X.

Originally Posted by Derubael

So, I'm not sure if this is just me, or if it looks this way for everyone, but the resolution on moving objects in this video is terrible.

This was how I responded to another video thread in the petition forum. =X

[Edgat]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edgat:

that was how i responded to your petition thread with the chatboxes covered =X.

=X

I know how you replied I am asking you to leave the petition open after you reply instead of just moving it to resolved because saying "video too blurry" isn't resolved.

Ask for clarification say I couldn't see in your chat box the name of the person who did x that you claimed do you have logs to back it up or something.

[Rallyd]

These rules were not designed to protect low level or new players, these rules were designed to get rid of certain "disliked" individuals on the server, and to attempt to stop Nihilum from maintaining dominance.

Keep that in mind when making suggestions for changes, any suggestions other than those that will help this design work better will be shot down.

[Mac Dretti]

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