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Old 03-12-2015, 10:55 AM
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Thanks for the info. The replies and the solo guide make it sound like banded first is the best bet right now, gonna go with that.
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:15 PM
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Thanks for the info. The replies and the solo guide make it sound like banded first is the best bet right now, gonna go with that.
I know I am late to the responses here but if you have 500plat buy the rings first, if you dont have 500 plat but have 90+ plat buy the Banded. Much easier to scrounge together 100p than 500p at low levels, so you might as well be covered in banded while you farm the rest of what you need for rings (Which might be a few levels, depending how low level you are and what you are killing).[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 03-21-2015, 09:40 AM
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I know I am late to the responses here but if you have 500plat buy the rings first, if you dont have 500 plat but have 90+ plat buy the Banded. Much easier to scrounge together 100p than 500p at low levels, so you might as well be covered in banded while you farm the rest of what you need for rings (Which might be a few levels, depending how low level you are and what you are killing).[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 03-11-2015, 06:44 PM
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I probably just play differently. The way I think about it is this: over an extended farming session, any hp/mana you lose has to be regained. So I usually med back to 90-100% (without wasting ticks) before the next mob unless doing so will ruin a split spawn or something. I don't at all see the value in the "just barely enough is good enough" mentality. It's caused me too many unexpected deaths or wasteful resets.

Maybe due to this, I've noticed a rather large increase in my survivability and, by extension, leveling rate through the teens on chars I've given 5/55 rings to.
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Old 03-12-2015, 02:04 PM
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Either way, it's not a lot of money. A full set costs less than lvl 19 spells.

As I mentioned, I care more about fashion than stats with marginal utility like AC. http://web.archive.org/web/200110032...pment/fashion/ is my friend. This is what a set of banded looks like on a male troll: http://web.archive.org/web/200108160...ale_banded.jpg

Compare to blackened iron which you can get for yourself, if not at 29 then certainly at 34: http://web.archive.org/web/200110291...roll_Male.html

Or mixed pieces of totemic and jaundiced bone which look identical afaik:
http://web.archive.org/web/200110291...roll_Male.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200108160...troll_male.jpg

Also bloodstained tunic for a better chain look:
http://web.archive.org/web/200110040...roll_Male.html

I've been reading this guide more closely thanks to my red troll shaman, now happily lvl 21 and just about ready to leave kurns. I want to play this character in a more fulfilling way than I played my barbarian. So I'm building a checklist of things I want to do that may not be the best money/hour or exp/hour but that are interesting on their own right. The list is pretty immature at this point, but some are relevant to the guide here.

For example, using kurns bone chips to fix cabilis faction to use their outdoor merchants (haven't done it yet, hoping it can be done with wolf form). And camping my own grim aura clicky in WW. And earning my OT hammer the hard way since there's no item recharge on red (no borrowing puppet string charge on the cheap).

One main point is to be more independent when traveling. Calling for ports is lame; we're a class with sow, lev, invis, and gate. Evil races can get OT hammer on their own. This means using Firepots! I've got two ideas that I need to check out. First, and first available, is binding at oasis dock and lev/run or swim either straight to firepots or from first island in TD. I obviously need to play around with this. The second is to use OT hammer, wait on boat to TD, then jump off boat and run to firepots as soon as zone in. Obviously second one has the advantage of being able to bind anywhere.

In order to make firepots trip safer, especially on red where dragons seem to actually live long enough to gank people unexpectedly (died to DL dragon a full day after server repop), working on Ring of Scale faction can be considered a small side-task. This can be done either by killing in mistmoore (risky at the appropriate level on red, overcamped on blue) or doing bard diet.

I killed some bards on my barbarian shaman and deeply regretted it. It's annoying as hell to have a couple of max kos npcs in cities where you're otherwise well liked. Does anybody have experience with bard faction from an evil race point of view?
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:17 PM
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sorry if im late to the party, but why stop at 56? at 57 captain/efreeti will get you where you need to go on ez mode!

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56+ there are still more great solo spots, including some decent money spots. By then though, you should know about them and feel comfortable making your own path, so I won't expand farther then there.
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Why every Shaman needs a Goblin Skull Earring;

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Can someone please explain what global cooldown removal is why I should get the goblin skull earring? Thank you
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Without Goblin Skull Earring:

1. Cast Canni.
2. Wait 1.5 seconds for global cool down, which prevents the casting of any spells.
3. Cast Canni.

Many will time Canni to med ticks and sit between casts to eliminate this inefficiency of not being able to re-cast canni for additional mana gain. Timing med ticks also causes you to take longer then 1.5 seconds many times waiting for tick before you stand and cast Canni again.

With Goblin Skull Earring:

1. Cast Canni
2. Click Goblin Skull Earring
3. Immediately re-cast Canni

You now no longer have to sit between casts wasting time or rapidly top off mana by chain casting Canni. You have eliminated 1.5 second delay and any lost time waiting for med ticks. This means you gain mana much, much faster. It turns Canni into a poor mans Manastone (one with a cast time).

Most people will make a hotkey of Earring slot and put it on hot bar. As example I put Goblin Earring on NumPad* and Canni on NumPad9 and after Canni completes hit NumPad* followed by Numpad9.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Best Proof of Concept of benefits of Frontal Stun Immunity;

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My pleasure.

Here's a few samples:

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[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You haven't recovered yet...
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast hits YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:16 2014] You resist the Disease Cloud spell!
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 17:58:01 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:05 2014] A scorn banshee hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:06 2014] A scorn banshee bashes YOU for 39 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 18:10:38 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] You have healed Ginfizzie for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] You begin casting Malo.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] King Tranix pet hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix pet bashes YOU for 14 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] You feel your lifeforce drain away. You have taken 27 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 59 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:05 2014] King Tranix bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 124 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 41 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix pet tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] Urrsa has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:11:42 2014] You begin casting Paralyzing Earth.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior bashes YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Your Paralyzing Earth spell has worn off.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 74 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior kicks YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:45 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:42 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 103 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A loathling lich slices YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] You resist the Gravity Flux spell!
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 29 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 111 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Sat Feb 28 13:16:10 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav kicks YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 200 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 144 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 176 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 160 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You haven't recovered yet...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You can't use that command right now...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight bashes YOU for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] Your legs feel weak.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:10 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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Edit: It's worth noting any of these regular melee attacks could have also been stuns (kicks too)
The Best Summation of why I advocate Ogre Shaman;

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No-one is saying which race you HAVE to be or even basing decisions on the hardest things in game, simply that if you're min/maxing (what this question is all about) you should min/max for difficult situations, i.e. being hit by multiple or hard-hitting mobs for whatever reason (breaking camps, root breaks, trains, difficult solo mobs), not for easy situations (being able to cast 1 more Talisman of Kragg every 10 minutes while buffing a raid).

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/Agree, Too many people are getting caught up in this preach mentality. No one is saying you have to be this to do that, you have to be this, or your not as good as that. No one is trying to convince anyone that already made a Shaman what to do, but giving insight to a new Shaman who has yet to choose. Add to the discussion don't get defensive.

All Shaman are powerful, All Shaman have to deal with push, All Shaman have techniques to deal with situations (That's why we're Shaman), but some feel some Racial Abilities are better than others. They have laid out their arguments, just as you and anyone else can, for why they think what they think. No one has to take any of this personal, no one is trying to make anyone question why they chose what they chose.

I played a Barb Shaman on live 99-06, at first I knew no different and loved it. But as I grew and learned more about the game I envied the Troll's regen the most. Then the game progressed and new expansions applied new difficulties which enlightened me and others to the benefits of certain skills.

Yes regen is always on and is great. Free Fungi when sitting and half a Fungi while standing. All Shaman want/need Fungi so Troll equal Fungi+/1.5!!! Except what me and many others have realized is that, it is not what a racial ability can do for you, but what a racial ability can do for others.

Frontal Stun Immunity allows you to:

Slow any mob @ 100% and know you can channel the next spell no matter what(Root/Heal/Slow on another mob);

Off-tank any mob knowing you can still Slow/Root/Heal others while off-tanking said mob (using slow for mass agro);

Slow-tank any mob (which means can JBB on said mob, without worry about root breaking), and still root/rot 4+ other mobs at the same time;

Channel Slow/Torpor/Root/Gate/Sup Heal/Epic click with confidence spell will go off. How many times have you non Ogre's tried to heal/root/torp/gate/epic and had it interrupted and you had to try again? How many times has this caused you death? How many times have you really been interrupted while epic clicking/JBB clicking/Rooting/Slowing/Healing??

Check your logs and post them, I bet if Ogre and Non-Ogre Shaman posted their logs the amount of failed casts is 5X higher for non Ogre. JBB/Epic/Torpor are all long casts, an interrupt anytime is a major loss in efficiency. Ogre's just do not have to worry about this, like other races do.

Again to address push, for those that want to use this argument. All Shaman have to deal with push, because of this we all use walls/environment to negate this. If all Shaman have to deal with push, and all Shaman are using technique to mitigate this, then it is not something that should be used as an argument against one race or the other. All races have to deal with push and do, if they don't, they don't make it to 60 with Torpor and Epic. Push is not an issue because we all know how to deal with it. The push argument really needs to be dropped by all parties.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Is there a guide to com 2nd floor? Ie how to get there and where to go? I never spent anytime on the 2nd, and done with the slow a55 xp in kc now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] thanks for all the help!

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Step 1: Enter City of Mist

Step2: Go Across bridge through gate and turn right, run to Temple camp.

Step 3: Clear Temple guards both lower and upper level.

Step 4: Shrink if Large Race using Potion, Levitate and Invis to Undead.

Step 5: Run up Left side of Temple, inside and up the stairs. At top you will see a Flag attached to wall above you.

Step 6: Use Lev trick to float onto Flag and Jump to 2nd level. You will agro Immediately, kill what agros.

Step 7: Float over to Roof next to ledges (Arena) and bind on top. Kill everything on ledges then start clearing rooms, Wallah you are doing 2nd level CoM.

Step 8: If run into trouble Train to zone as fast as you can (always have levitate up), heal and gate back to Arena. Rinse and repeat until level 56 and decide if you want to stay or venture out.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Tips for Timing Buffs/Spawns, Unlimited Timers that Overlay while Windowed;

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Hey,
So I have really been enjoying playing my alt shaman, very fun class!
What I'm wondering is how you professional shamans out there keep track of party buffs?
Any tips/pointers would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
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I use Free Countdown Timer (Cnet). Allows multiple timers set at whatever you want with whatever sounds you want and overlays over game when you play in windowed mode.

****From Product description, "You can set the time in hours, minutes, seconds and an alarm will ring the counter reaches zero; or you can set date and time and an alarm will ring the counter reaches this time. Free Countdown Timer supports unlimited number of timers so that you are not restricted to the number of alarms you can have"


P.S. - Another trick is to time things to buffs, If you have clicky buffs can always refresh buff when a certain timer needs to start and count back from max duration. Cheap and easy way to time things without needing to mess with 3rd party programs.


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Old 04-10-2015, 04:50 PM
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outstanding post on ogre stun immunity, blkcamel

convinced to not reroll my ogre shaman
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Old 04-10-2015, 05:04 PM
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convinced to not reroll my ogre shaman
I feel like all this discussion of the "best shaman race" has gotten blown way out of proportion: no one should ever let this forum convince them to re-roll their shaman.

Maybe Ogre is the best race, maybe Troll is; hell I'd argue Barbarian is but that's not the point. The point is (unlike some classes) all of the shaman races are perfectly viable. Any shaman race can solo a Western Wastes dragon, raid VP, or group in Sebilis; even if you lack both regen and frontal stun immunity I guarantee it won't make you miss out on anything. The only thing the racial choice does is make certain things a bit easier.

/rant off

Now to go re-roll my Dark Elf necromancer in to an Iksar ...
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Firstly, thank you for the awesome guide, and the great conversation that followed. Learned as much from the convos as I did from the guide itself!

I've got some questions regarding most mana efficient/quickest way to level at 17 (Iksar low key twinked). I'm currently in Kurns, and most of the first floor is green now, so i've come up to the second floor to pull to the spiral stairs where no skellys pat. The Lesser Ice Bone guys are yellow/even to me now, and I can only take them if i burn them all the way down with Spirit Strike (which is clearly very inefficient because It takes down to like 25%m). With the Greater Skeletons, which are DB con, I have been DoT'ng with Tainted Breath, slowing, and just meleeing them down, but I can only do about 2 before I have to either heal myself back up, which then makes me need to med. Am I missing something here, or is this the most efficient way to do this?

Also, I cannot imagine doing 19 here as well. Any other spots I can go to that might be better, or is this it?

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