Duration of Shared Grp XP Penalties

[guineapig]

Or at the very least no making changes that can't be proven to be the way they were in 1999.

The burden of proof is on those that want the nerf not on everyone else.

[Bumamgar]

Charms, one post is enough, you've made your position clear. You probably should tone down the personal attacks as well.

Everything is "being looked at" folks. Everything. From XP, to Spells, to skeleton models, to mob walk speed, etc.

Some stuff will get changed, some won't.

Like I said, I think that solo XP is still out of wack compared to how it was on classic. Frankly, I don't think it is a problem with the XP formula, however. I think that the problem lies in a variety of factors, all of which add up to a risk/reward situation for certain classes that enable them to solo content with minimal risk that should be extremely risky and involve significant downtime. It's a complex problem and involves lots of systems, including AC, mob damage, resist rates, etc. All of which are being looked at and tweaked, by all developers, and not just me.

[Fryhole]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charms, one post is enough, you've made your position clear. You probably should tone down the personal attacks as well.

Everything is "being looked at" folks. Everything. From XP, to Spells, to skeleton models, to mob walk speed, etc.

Some stuff will get changed, some won't.

Like I said, I think that solo XP is still out of wack compared to how it was on classic. Frankly, I don't think it is a problem with the XP formula, however. I think that the problem lies in a variety of factors, all of which add up to a risk/reward situation for certain classes that enable them to solo content with minimal risk that should be extremely risky and involve significant downtime. It's a complex problem and involves lots of systems, including AC, mob damage, resist rates, etc. All of which are being looked at and tweaked, by all developers, and not just me.

Yet some classes can solo better than others because of how the classic game mechanics were designed. It's easy to research a good XP camp, solo camp, farm camp, etc. because it's all been done before. Not all spots are equal in regards to these factors though. (obviously) Not every person who's playing a class that can solo will end up with a camp that provides 100% max efficiency regarding xp, loot, low risk factor, and all the other variables - not to even mention that the vast majority of the few 'sweet spots' that do offer decent loot/xp/risk are already camped.

A solid group would offer any one of the solo classes steady xp, lower risk, a social element, and better loot camps. (assuming you're not solo camping lguk @ 50 for ex.) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you though that the behind-the-scenes systems need to be as close to classic as possible; I just don't feel that tweaking them will really hurt soloing unless it was intentionally made to do so.

Please don't intentionally do so. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Charms [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way, your one liner hidden in this thread should've been a new topic. I don't, and I'm sure others don't, appreciate you trying to slip the info in passed everyone so that way no one has the chance to discuss it, pretty low if you ask me.

Seriously dude, get over yourself. I was responding to the comment directly above it. I didn't try to slip anything in anywhere. Clearly folks have a chance to discuss it, since you've made like 10+ posts about it in the last half hour.

Oh, by the way: We make changes every week without giving the players a chance to discuss it. I'm a relatively new dev here, so I keep making the mistake of transparency, and people like you always do your best to twist my words and make me regret it. Good job!

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Charms [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually someone else told me you were planning on nerfing solo exp, and due to the lack of clarity from your one liner post, it seemed to add up!

Nice conspiracy theory, too bad you are just making shit up.

Oh and I'm sorry, is there a rule against posting in certain amounts of time? Are we allowed 3 posts every 10 minutes? Or are you just trying to poke a quip at me for voicing my opinion about something as stupid as nerfing solo exp to solve the problem, while also trying to turn it into a personal attack against yourself? Never once have I said anything derogatory about yourself, just the changes.

Oh really? These are just the ones you left in after editing most of your posts around 1:15pm to remove the worse comments, but these are all personal attacks:

Oh he's in WI, totally unbiased nerf I'm sure.

- [sarcasm]It's a uber guild conspiracy to fuck over soloers! oh noz! Cause yeah, no one in WI ever solos, and WI's competition is still leveling up, so this will give WI an advantage, or something?[/sarcasm] Seriously, what relevance does this have to anything, and how could my guild affiliation influence my opinions on solo XP in any way?

Did you ever play Everquest man? I'm really honestly beginning to wonder.

- Credibility attack

Also, Bum, while you're at it, get some actual information and documented sources to validate this change, otherwise, don't ever bother posting stupid shit like that again.

- Saying my post was stupid...

Have you ever tried soloing a yellow con as a soloer? Or even tried tanking a blue con without uber gear?

- Another credibility attack

So if you're taking changes to the game personally, I can't help you there. That's more along the lines of your own state of mind.

I'm not taking anything personally. You attacked me, and then you edited your posts to try and cover it up. Those are facts that anyone who's read your posts (especially before the edits) can plainly see.

Btw; if you're regretting it, why are you continuing the discussion? You made it clear, finally, that the changes would be everything but experience based, and would be mob based

Uhm, no dude. I didn't say I regretted the post, or that I regretted the discussion. I said that you, by trying to twist my words, are trying to make me regret being transparent. You haven't succeeded in making me regret anything yet, but you are welcome to keep trying [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also didn't say anything concrete about what the changes (if any) will or will not entail. I said I don't think there is anything wrong the with XP formula. I also said (in the beginning) that we are looking at it. This implies that we're mid-investigation. We may decide that solo XP is right where it should be. We may not. We may decide that it's off due to some XP formula issue. We may not. All I said is that I personally think solo XP is too fast, and that it was being looked at. When we're done looking at it, we'll take whatever action our investigation determines is appropriate. Which may be no action at all.

So are you the one personally attacking me now?

Not really.

[Bumamgar]

Well, considering that it was an hour from my post to your first response, I can only assume that the person in EC who said that to you was simply referring to my post. You tried to make it sound like there were rumors floating around that my post corroborated...

[ChairmanMauzer]

Nerfing solo exp certainly wouldn't be in the spirit of all things classic. Solo classes were able to match or out-level group exp in classic, hence they should be able to here. As long as I played EQ soloing has always been a very viable option for leveingl for the the solo-capable classes listed.

[Virtuosos]

dont think he is saying they are going to completely destroy soloing...just double checking factors that play into it and "fixing what seems outta synch"


but, if they do decide to nerf soloing.....then yeah, fuck them provide proof and blahblahblah

[Malrubius]

I just want things to be as classic as possible.

Please don't make any changes just because something doesn't appear to be fair. Classic EQ was definitely not fair. Having everything fair is one thing that makes so many other MMOs boring - they have been "balanced to death".


Playing solo a lot currently, it feels about right to me. In other words, its incredibly slow, with a lot of downtime, and dangerous (probably more dangerous than classic due to the increased mob speed here).

My worry is that any tweaking (in either direction) may move us further away from classic, unless it is done VERY carefully and for a very specific, proven, classic-ifying reason.

[toyodafenninro]

Originally Posted by Malrubius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want things to be as classic as possible.

Please don't make any changes just because something doesn't appear to be fair. Classic EQ was definitely not fair. Having everything fair is one thing that makes so many other MMOs boring - they have been "balanced to death".


Playing solo a lot currently, it feels about right to me. In other words, its incredibly slow, with a lot of downtime, and dangerous (probably more dangerous than classic due to the increased mob speed here).

My worry is that any tweaking (in either direction) may move us further away from classic, unless it is done VERY carefully and for a very specific, proven, classic-ifying reason.

I SO agree with this. I played almost exclusively solo chasses on live, Necro and Wizard mainly until level 70. I also began playing on release and I can assure you this downtime seems right on par with what I remember. I actually applaud the authenticity for soloing. It would seem to me wrong to change it, but that is again just my two cp.