stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Second Amendment wasn't intended for arming citizens to protect them against the government. It was to protect the government from standing armies by maintaining a well regulated militia that would fight for said government.

This is just blatantly incorrect based both on a tremendous number of documentation outlining the original intent and the supreme courts interpretation of the second amendment through the years.

The 'A well regulated militia' is considered a preface and not operative or limiting to the actual right to bear arms. Also of note in the courts ruling was the fact that the founding fathers feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable the citizen militia. Effectively, the 'citizen militia' was to be beyond and outside of the governments control.

I fear you have accidentally made yourself appear ignorant like a child. How embarrassing. To educate yourself on the topic, please review the Supreme Court decision of D.C. v Heller.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[vaylorie]

Now this is what I expect when debating a 15 year old McDonalds worker on a 1999 game forum. Good work Hitchens, you met and nearly exceeded expectations! I don't expect your hear that very often.

[Humerox]

From: Home Office Statistical Bulletin

Homicides are relatively rare events, and year-on-year variations need to be interpreted with some caution. A statistical analysis of trends (discussed in Section 1.6) indicates a significant reduction in homicides since 2007/08.


Next:

1. Number of Murders, United States, 2010: 12,996
   
2. Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2010: 8,775
   
3. Number of Murders, Britain, 2011*: 638
   (Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,095 US murders)
   
4. Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2011*: 58
   (equivalent to 290 US murders)

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now this is what I expect when debating a 15 year old McDonalds worker on a 1999 game forum. Good work Hitchens, you met and nearly exceeded expectations! I don't expect your hear that very often.

I went and got some tacos because I figured your reply would be terrible and not worth putting off tacos to read.

I was right.

[purist 4.0]

^ This guy posts from a sock puppet forum account cause he's too scared to on his real one.

[OforOppression]

^dumb manchild

[OforOppression]

To vaylorie, not my ***** purist

[patriot1776]

tl;dr but agree 100% after 1st sentence

[hatelore]

And honestly, you want someone as fucking retarded as Joe Biden to tell you what guns you should and should not have? Joe Biden needs to go fucking watch cartoons and drink his chocolate milk and quit trying to tell me what guns I can and cannot own.

If you seriously think our government wants to ban certain guns to protect us, you are delusional. Our Government would love to have complete control. That's why the founding fathers put these amendments in place, to protect us from something like that happening. You can argue about things being different back then or whatnot, but they obviously were wise enough to see what the future COULD bring with a tyrannical government.

Just my 2 cents...