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Alarti0001 · #1 11-13-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are not the judge of sanity or insanity, fortunately for everyone here.

You have no idea what was going on with the other raid forces, what they may or may not have done, in what context that pull was attempted, etc. Instead you choose to speculate, and you conveniently settle on the conclusions most suitable to your arguments.

The bottom line is that rules are set in place not to try to figure out what is in peoples heads or why they are doing things, but instead to set up a framework within which people can act such that they get rewarded or punished. The discussion with everyone else is about this framework. Seeing as you continually shit up the thread with vague and subjective bases for what you think happened or what you think the rules are, this concept seems to have eluded you.

Lol I'm vague? Please post your fraps evidence, and take your post to heart. It describes you perfectly.

Here is my evidence, you had 1 puller on a DTing mob, no other FE engaged. Case closed

Tanthallas · #2 11-13-2012, 01:59 PM

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I will barrage you with oversimplified claims until the end of time. Case closed

Alarti0001 · #3 11-13-2012, 02:25 PM

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I will constantly lie about situations, make claims and provide 0 evidence.

snow_man · #4 11-13-2012, 01:14 PM

Easy feedback...I understand the point that FE never put damage on the mob... Goes back to, well that's considered raid interference. The rules on this server need to be cleaned up badly.

Implement Guild Raids on the server and let the exp do the talking... No need to have GM interventions.

Yea I know, that wasn't til POPower, but until then, it's pretty much just letting the GM's roll the dice on who gets the loot...

Autotune · #5 11-13-2012, 01:17 PM

GMs don't understand.

Less GM involvement in raid guilds and their rules = more Guild involvement in raiding rules.

Stop trying to be the Federal Government of Raid Mobs INC.

Ele · #6 11-13-2012, 01:59 PM

Doing a subjective analysis of FTE + "sufficient raid force" in zone at the time of engagement raises serious questions where a mob such as an outdoor dragon can be engaged or pulled with a small force and reinforcement can stream in to complete the kill. There have been a number of times on this server where Talendor, Fay, and Sev have been pulled / engaged with only 1-2 people of the tagging guild in the zone, but by the time the dragon is near or at the camp the raid has arrived or at least enough people to engage and hold until more reinforcements arrive.

snow_man · #7 11-13-2012, 02:03 PM

For those wondering on the numbers, it was FE + BDA. I think about 30 total.

Still in favor of a /raid and let the exp from the highest DPS /raid take the phats. No room for interpretation, no crying foul about FTE, just straight up damage vs. damage.

Single group exp won't work. 6 wizards/rogues/high dps grouped up vs. a guild of multiple groups, the pure dps group will take the exp and the other challenger just ends up tanking for the opposing dps group. That's why I go for a /raid... if you have 40 your likely to outdps the 6 wizards...

Autotune · #8 11-13-2012, 02:05 PM

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For those wondering on the numbers, it was FE + BDA. I think about 30 total.

Still in favor of a /raid and let the exp from the highest DPS /raid take the phats. No room for interpretation, no crying foul about FTE, just straight up damage vs. damage.

Single group exp won't work. 6 wizards/rogues/high dps grouped up vs. a guild of multiple groups, the pure dps group will take the exp and the other challenger just ends up tanking for the opposing dps group. That's why I go for a /raid... if you have 40 your likely to outdps the 6 wizards...

wouldn't work. Any guild can field 6 strong DPS.

Not all guilds can compete with the larger guilds.

snow_man · #9 11-13-2012, 02:13 PM

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wouldn't work. Any guild can field 6 strong DPS.

Not all guilds can compete with the larger guilds.

That's why I say create a /raid system. Unlimited ammount of groups all /raided together. In the case of yesterday it would have meant if both guilds charged in at the same time, whoever layed down the DPS would have one between the two groups.

And the same for future encounters. No more FTE, just a straight up dps fight. If two guilds charge the mob at the same time, whichever guild/raid (not group) puts in the most DPS gets the exp and gets the loot.

Autotune · #10 11-13-2012, 02:14 PM

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That's why I say create a /raid system. Unlimited ammount of groups all /raided together. In the case of yesterday it would have meant if both guilds charged in at the same time, whoever layed down the DPS would have one between the two groups.

And the same for future encounters. No more FTE, just a straight up dps fight. If two guilds charge the mob at the same time, whichever guild/raid (not group) puts in the most DPS gets the exp and gets the loot.

so, in your system, you are saying that

TMO with 125 wouldn't have an advantage with dps over Divinity with 35?