Trakanon Rotation

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show us you can compete and not just grief and we will show you what you want.

I hate this word compete. Somehow this has become a euphemism for "sitting at your computer for 24 hours a day".

I also think a raid suspension for all of IB was wrong and it should have been a permaban for Perun, especially after he was caught using macroquest. Amelinda is still learning there perhaps.

Anyway, back to the point. Do you guys not see the inconsistency between
"IB/VD are one guild" and "VD just takes IB's leftovers, doesn't get invited to VP, etc". The reality is that we worked with them when we needed each other, and nothing more. We built some friendships and both parties benefited, but this was not some unified anti-TMO front. Do you not see the inconsistency between training the hell out of VD during your raid suspension and lolling about corpse camping our members and "oh lets just do FTE in VP, no trains"?

[quido]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trakanon: we have competed and beat TMO

Twice. Both were flukes, though nice job. I really do respect you bringing some competition. That being said, the battle is far from over. These victories don't entitle you to an even-keel rotation with us. Let's see how many Trakanons you get in the next three months, VD.

And go ahead and condescend to Taken and BDA some more, you transparent manipulators.

I am in favor of establishing a server-wide rotation on Gorenaire.

[Velion]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah that sounds like a great idea: let's sit down at the negotiation tables with Coldblooded again and listen to her demands and complete unwillingness to actually negotiate. (see ragefire rotation)

Nope. You guys don't deserve the same slice we do at this point, and until you actually do or you accept this reality, a rotation agreement is never going to get anywhere.

No matter how many targets VD gets there will always be an ever-moving bar of what you consider competition. From what I understand, in the 6 Trakanons this past month that were poop-socked/contested, VD ended up with 3 and TMO 3 (I'm not counting the 2 during the suspensions obviously since that wasn't contested).

Of course you will say "that's only one month" or "that's a fluke", so throw some fucking numbers out there. Does 50% over two months mean anything or will that still be considered a fluke? I'm asking seriously here. Two months ago we didn't live up to a rotation because we had never competed against you and won a Trakanon. That is obviously not the case anymore.

[quido]

The Trakanon you sandbagged right after we (TMO and IB) threw you out of the previous agreement doesn't count. The way I see it is VD and TMO have only competed on 5 Trakanons - we've gotten 3, you've gotten 2. Do you really think you can hold 50% over several months against us? I invite you to try. I wouldn't consider that a fluke.

[Velion]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Trakanon you sandbagged right after we (TMO and IB) threw you out of the previous agreement doesn't count. The way I see it is VD and TMO have only competed on 5 Trakanons - we've gotten 3, you've gotten 2. Do you really think you can hold 50% over several months against us? I invite you to try. I wouldn't consider that a fluke.

And how many of those will you come up with excuses for? You've already made an excuse for one of those. I'm not going to sit here and get in a pissing contest and say "you suck, we can get 80% of them over 6 months!!1!". The truth is, no one knows how many we'd get over the course of several months. Obviously our mobilization has grown exponentially over just the past 2 months so who knows.

If you don't want a rotation because you just truly like the "competition" (aka seeing who can get 30 logged in fastest at any time of day) then that's fine, but at least be honest. I actually do like the competition that takes place for the rest of the mobs (kunark dragons, CT, draco, Maestro, Inny) since there is actual mobilization and complicated pulls required. I just don't like having to keep my main camped out 50% of the time at Trakanon and I think many people feel the same way.

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate this word compete. Somehow this has become a euphemism for "sitting at your computer for 24 hours a day".

I also think a raid suspension for all of IB was wrong and it should have been a permaban for Perun, especially after he was caught using macroquest. Amelinda is still learning there perhaps.

Anyway, back to the point. Do you guys not see the inconsistency between
"IB/VD are one guild" and "VD just takes IB's leftovers, doesn't get invited to VP, etc". The reality is that we worked with them when we needed each other, and nothing more. We built some friendships and both parties benefited, but this was not some unified anti-TMO front. Do you not see the inconsistency between training the hell out of VD during your raid suspension and lolling about corpse camping our members and "oh lets just do FTE in VP, no trains"?

the point is alone you could not compete against TMO, this was obvious. If it was not then you would have not teamed up to kill said mobs. However when it came time to Rotation you each wanted your own spot, this is why you got upset and started training us in VP when it was our turn, but would not train IB when it was their turn. Same deal with Trakanon, basicaly IB used you to get a rotation, then dumped you when they got their Trakanon rotation and Vp rotation. Let me ask you a question, How could we come up with a rotation, unless two sides agreed. IB agreed to a rotation w/o you, Ill say it again because you want to point fingers and make us look bad. You got used in order for us to come to a agreement with IB, you were never included in a rotation then you turned and took your anger out on TMO. When you should have been mad at your partner , IB (who left you out).

[Versus]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VP: there is no competition here. It has always been rotated since it was released. what VP dragons have you competed for?

The ones when IB broke the rotation agreement.

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trakanon: we have competed and beat TMO. No griefing.

Not for nothing, but we had to compete with IB on that ledge for months before an agreement was decided upon. Be patient and earn it, its only been a small handfull of Trak's.

[quido]

I am being completely honest and forthcoming. There are no real excuses on my end. I accept my defeats as well as my victories. But we both know the competition didn't really begin until IB left.

I respect VD's tenacity in their efforts, and I will respect them a lot more if it actually lasts.

So show us what you got! But stop with this rotation nonsense - it is going nowhere right now. I promise. We're pretty hungry too, you know.

[lilyanna]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show us you can compete and not just grief and we will show you what you want.

When it comes to griefing TMO win hands down. Ask eccezbannnn or whatever his name is, sending me tells as soon as I log in of a morning giving me grief, seriously I'm not interested.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Teddie1056]

Point is, we could if we tried. We just really don't want to. This is why you guys are being unreasonable. We are asking for a share, not all of it, a share, without this annoying socking. You guys are demanding all of it unless we can prove that we are capable of taking half of it. We have taken half of it (or 2/5 of it according to Jeremy). This is at least enough to prove that we are fully capable of taking Trak. Fact is, this rotation would be the only way that Taken/Div/BDA could get a shot at Trak without direct VD/TMO assistance. That, and all of a sudden poopsocking is out the window. And that is something that the whole server can agree sucks. Now if we can just get over our petty differences and stop raging at each other maybe we can get something like Cold suggested done.