Spells: Mage Bolt Line - Page 17

Harrison · #1 10-02-2011, 03:52 PM

They may as well revert the "fix" for mage bolts and return them to being instant.

sellawiz · #2 10-03-2011, 02:34 AM

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They may as well revert the "fix" for mage bolts and return them to being instant.

Disagree, it's a good pseudo nerf to mages. At least the part where its not instant and you can sort of out run it and zone if you are close.

Bockscar · #3 10-03-2011, 05:29 AM

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Disagree, it's a good pseudo nerf to mages. At least the part where its not instant and you can sort of out run it and zone if you are close.

Well, if mage nukes are completely fucked, they need to be fixed whether by fixing bolts or making them into normal nukes. Arbitrarily nerfing classes is out of the question.

**nilbog** · #4 10-03-2011, 08:41 AM

Need specifics as to what works, and what doesn't, so we can work on it.

Firstly, bolts having no cast time is completely inaccurate. It's been that way on the other emus, but take this into consideration. Magician's highest damage nukes (bolts) required time to land, and for LOS to be clear. Having instant evocation nukes is very non-mage like :P

So, with that being said, let's go through what works.. and what doesn't.

First, graphic. It currently looks like a flying glowing black stone, pulsating red. We know this isn't right. It's the closest we could get until the flare graphic is corrected. So this is known.

How about the speed of the bolt? Here are some classic pics.

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How fast are the bolts? Should take a bard to outrun. IIRC, just having a sow, the bolt will catch you eventually.

Can you cast bolts without a target?

Do bolts interrupt if you cast another spell before it lands? What exactly happens?

Quotes from another bug report. I responded to PVE, but PVP bolts should work the same, correct?

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I played a mage a good bit on live. Here's what I remember

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Didn't it also fail if it passed through players / the ground before reaching its target?

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Originally bolts didn't even require a target. You could face a direction, and cast. From what I recall it would even hit npcs that moved in its path, thus creating aggro that wasn't your original intent. Also, if it was chasing an npc target, if one got in its path, it would hit it and never reach your intended target. If following a target, it would go on forever until it hit something, including its targets corpse, if they died before it got to them.

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You would have to be facing your target to begin casting, if you had any terrain in the way of the bolt it would fail, but you also had the random chance it would hit the target twice for some unknown Z-axis reason.

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I think it did need some type of conic radius to start chasing a target. As in you couldn't be facing opposite your target, but you also didn't need to be lined up exactly with them. I remember the Z axis double nuke as well. If levitating, and very close to the target, it would sometimes hit twice.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...454#post174454

Silikten · #5 10-03-2011, 02:20 AM

Yeah, I made sure I had complete LOS as well. Nothing blocking it. I watch it fly to the mob, kind of veer upward, then disappears and nothing happens.

Ptkfgs · #6 10-03-2011, 05:20 AM

I remember on live if you stood high up enough on a hill sometimes the mage bolts would double nuke. Maybe this has something to do with it?

Massive Marc · #7 11-03-2011, 03:56 PM

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I remember on live if you stood high up enough on a hill sometimes the mage bolts would double nuke. Maybe this has something to do with it?

Confirmed that this happened on live.

I would be in Hate all the time at the top of the wall bolting down for double hits.

Harrison · #8 10-03-2011, 09:15 AM

I don't remember it being able to cast without a target, myself.

I do remember it being able to get "intercepted" by both npcs and players. (It is the same with arrows, and archery always required a target.)

You could always cast other spells before the bolt landed, unless there was a random bug here and there on live.

Harrison · #9 10-03-2011, 10:32 AM

You COULD however juke it with shadowstep.

Lasher · #10 10-03-2011, 10:25 PM

On live did bolts actually chase their target or did it just go in a straight line to what ever you had targeted?

P99 the bolt eventually catches up to the target as long as no hard objects block the bolt, so i think it could literally take a 180 turn. Its been so long ago but i dont seem to remember live bolts doing that, anyone able to confirm/deny?