Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a great point, in Kunark. STA is the right choice for a character you're taking to 60. In the dirt gear I linked above, the character will overcap STR with a shaman in about a month of casual play.

lol 1 month of casual play

hahahahahahahaa

no

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol 1 month of casual play

hahahahahahahaa

no

2? 3? People play this game for years. You should advise people on things that will benefit them long term.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a great point, in Kunark. STA is the right choice for a character you're taking to 60. In the dirt gear I linked above, the character will overcap STR with a shaman in about a month of casual play.

POISON 72
MAGIC 49
DISEASE 18
FIRE 34
COLD 54

NGMI with these resists.

STA is literally only useful to a Rogue in the few edge cases where you survive a fight with <100 HP, and such encounters are vanishingly few in number. For the vast, overwhelming majority of your playtime on a Rogue, you have no need of those extra hit points. In contrast, you are benefiting from STR literally every time you play the character, from 1-60 and beyond. This is most evident pre-Velious, but even if you cap STR unbuffed in Velious with high end raid gear... who cares? That just means you can prioritize more HP and resist pieces of gear. The extra 100 HP from STA is still basically never going to make a difference. It's just Magelo e-peen points, as was said.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The extra 100 HP from STA is still basically never going to make a difference. It's just Magelo e-peen points, as was said.

Please provide evidence other than simply saying this is true.

Unlike yourself, Cecily and myself can provide the numbers for how easy it is to cap STR.

You need to show the data you are referring to that shows 100 HP is a smaller impact than 25 STR. I can prove that the 25 STR won't give you any benefit when you are capped on STR.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

POISON 72
MAGIC 49
DISEASE 18
FIRE 34
COLD 54

NGMI with these resists.

STA is literally only useful to a Rogue in the few edge cases where you survive a fight with <100 HP, and such encounters are vanishingly few in number. For the vast, overwhelming majority of your playtime on a Rogue, you have no need of those extra hit points. In contrast, you are benefiting from STR literally every time you play the character, from 1-60 and beyond. This is most evident pre-Velious, but even if you cap STR unbuffed in Velious with high end raid gear... who cares? That just means you can prioritize more HP and resist pieces of gear. The extra 100 HP from STA is still basically never going to make a difference. It's just Magelo e-peen points, as was said.

Your character will be at STR cap for the majority of the time you level 45 - 60. Your character will be at STR cap 100% of the time you raid. Regardless of allocating STR at creation or not. You're advising someone to do something that will help them 1 - 45. That's stupid. Please stop posting rogue advice until you have some.

[AEH84]

This is great. Over 200 posts and I still can't get passed the character creation screen lol

[fortior]

Originally Posted by AEH84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is great. Over 200 posts and I still can't get passed the character creation screen lol

You got your answer though.

If you know for sure you'll reach 60, raid, and plan to keep building the character with the best items in the game, 25 sta

If you are a minmaxer and you can't stand the idea of having suboptimal starting stats even if for day to day performance it won't matter, 25 sta

If you aren't sure whether you'll reach 60 or raid, or if you aren't sure whether you want to main your rogue, just take the 25 str

Personally I would just 25 str it but I wouldn't main a rogue, I'd consider him an alt, so that's why. I'd also make him a gnome though. Gnomes are cool.

Everyone just wants you to have fun, but this is the p99 forums, wars about starting stats are classic

[Cecily]

Any race. +5 str +25 sta. Human / Dark Elf / Gnome have a relatively hard to get robe option other races don't have access to if you join a raid guild.
I don't think masks should factor into your decision. Pick something you like the look of. Hope this helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any race. +5 str +25 sta. Human / Dark Elf / Gnome have a relatively hard to get robe option other races don't have access to if you join a raid guild.
I don't think masks should factor into your decision. Pick something you like the look of. Hope this helps.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by AEH84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is great. Over 200 posts and I still can't get passed the character creation screen lol

I am sorry your thread got trolled by the usual suspects. Hopefully they will learn one day that simply posting insults over and over is not a method of discussion.

+5 STR and +25 STA is the way to go.

[Cecily]

To answer your other questions..

Yes, get an inexpensive haste item. It won't be super long before you have your epic. Seb dirk is my favorite leveling dagger. They're cheap and high damage. Good offhand after epic as well.