student loans are a hit!

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about we do a study on how gangs operate differently in different cities

Since crime rates are only based on sentencing

The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is false. It's grounded in sympathy for criminals and not justice for the victims.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is false. It's grounded in sympathy for criminals and not justice for the victims.

People who study this disagree with you but I guess your gut feelings win out

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who study this disagree with you but I guess your gut feelings win out

Appeal to authority fallacy

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's grounded in fact: I already linked studies demonstrating as much.

If harsher penalties deter crime, show me some evidence. Surely there are conservative researchers at major academic institutions? If strong penalties deter crime, they would have studies documenting it ... right?

Yea yea like the Covid studies that were all proven to be ideologically driven and pure bunk

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is false. It's grounded in sympathy for criminals and not justice for the victims.

I didn’t delve too far into the studies, but studies in general are so often manipulated to a particular outcome

Like I said, I would like to see a study on the differences between say MS13, the crips, the hells angels behavior might affect crime rates

How the availability or not of guns in a particular area might affect crime rates

How many victims are accessible at night in different cities might affect crime rates

But nope, we found a way to isolate out all of those plus the dozens of others that could be proposed given more thought, and isolated it down to sentencing length

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is false. It's grounded in sympathy for criminals and not justice for the victims.

No, it's grounded in fact: I already linked studies demonstrating as much.

If harsher penalties deter crime, show me some evidence. Surely there are conservative researchers at major academic institutions? If strong penalties deter crime, they would have studies documenting it ... right?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's grounded in fact: I already linked studies demonstrating as much.

If harsher penalties deter crime, show me some evidence. Surely there are conservative researchers at major academic institutions? If strong penalties deter crime, they would have studies documenting it ... right?

If studies are gold then I guess that includes all the unethical medical ones of the present and past too

[Lune]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If studies are gold then I guess that includes all the unethical medical ones of the present and past too

You're basically rejecting the utility of the fundamental logical framework upon which modern civilization is based

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[unsunghero]

How about how the differences is numbers of locations that criminals tend to frequent such as liquor stores, strip clubs, head shops, etc might affect crime rates?

How about the differences between the ratios of the drugs of choice in the area might affect crime rates?

How about how the weather condition differences in different areas might affect crime rates? Is it easy to mug people when it’s 10 below zero out?

But nope, it’s all about sentencing length

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about how the differences is numbers of locations that criminals tend to frequent such as liquor stores, strip clubs, head shops, etc might affect crime rates?

How about the differences between the ratios of the drugs of choice in the area might affect crime rates?

How about how the weather condition differences in different areas might affect crime rates? Is it easy to mug people when it’s 10 below zero out?

But nope, it’s all about sentencing length

You're wasting your time

"I linked to a study"

"People I never met have studied it"

It's common sense that if a repeat offender is locked up, he won't commit additional crimes against the public while being locked up. The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is a strawman. The question that should be asked is, does the penalty fit the crime on an individual case by case basis.

What we should be debating is the root of criminal behavior which is primarily boys being raised by single mothers, but they won't touch that.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're wasting your time

"I linked to a study"

"People I never met have studied it"

It's common sense that if a repeat offender is locked up, he won't commit additional crimes against the public while being locked up. The premise that harsher penalties don't deter crime is a strawman. The question that should be asked is, does the penalty fit the crime on an individual case by case basis.

What we should be debating is the root of criminal behavior which is primarily boys being raised by single mothers, but they won't touch that.

Or I’ve heard the poverty always creates crime argument but after numerous periods of extreme poverty in history like the Great Depression, there weren’t giant crime wave spikes to my knowledge

So poverty is a contributing factor, never a complete excuse on its own that people want it to be. Crime creates poverty just as much by driving away businesses and turning areas into blight