Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not some "special being", I'm just an ordinary human ... an ordinary human who expects the other ordinary humans (ie. not you) who read this thread to use their ordinary human brains to decide whether my argument makes sense or not.

I agree. And the way to do that is to define your terms lol. I do not know what "95% of a Shaman's life" means to you, and you are literally using that as the crux of your argument. That is the fatal flaw in your argument, it rests on an undefined term that nobody but yourself knows.

EDIT: To your edit, what is the "end", and what is "before the end"?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EDIT: To your edit, what is the "end", and what is "before the end"?

In the context of this thread (the one you've been posting in and ostensibly reading for 25+ pages) I would have thought it was pretty clear: when you max out your stats, not because you decided to do so at the expense of all other gear, but because it was the natural thing to do while acquiring the best Shaman gear you could (at level 60, with Torpor).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the context of this thread (the one you've been posting in and ostensibly reading for 25+ pages) I would have thought it was pretty clear: when you max out your stats, not because you decided to do so at the expense of all other gear, but because it was the natural thing to do while acquiring the best Shaman gear you could (at level 60, with Torpor).

It isn't clear. You have some idea that all Shamans have a specific point at which they cap their stats, and this simply isn't true. You have no evidence to suggest the only time a Shaman will cap their stats is at level 60 with Torpor. I myself was STA capped before level 60 and Torpor https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...mwowiPreTorpor

This means your definition (which is still vague and undefined) is obviously not as tight as you claim it to be, and this is just one example.

And to be clear, it wasn't like I had all this gear when I made Shamwowi. The vast majority of my gear was purchased by Shamwowi from his guard killing enterprise. So it isn't like this is something a casual player couldn't do themselves.

[Jibartik]

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[Naethyn]

I started the server as iksar bros with my buddy's necromancer and me on shaman (wis shaman). We leveled to mid 50's until I found a reliable source of iksar bloods. From there I made an ec fat cat converting the iksar bloods into straight platinums using cultural blacksmithing. I saved up 140k and started my warrior (human) with a cloak of flames and a fungi. My buddy made a dwarf cleric. Then we did it all again but this time with human smithing and dwarf smithing. I had to go fishing a lot but I've never made as much in my life as I have off fishing and ec fattcatting them profits off it.

Zero bad decisions were made.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I started the server as iksar bros with my buddy's necromancer and me on shaman (wis shaman). We leveled to mid 50's until I found a reliable source of iksar bloods. From there I made an ec fat cat converting the iksar bloods into straight platinums using cultural blacksmithing. I saved up 140k and started my warrior (human) with a cloak of flames and a fungi. My buddy made a dwarf cleric. Then we did it all again but this time with human smithing and dwarf smithing. I had to go fishing a lot but I've never made as much in my life as I have off fishing and ec fattcatting them profits off it.

Zero bad decisions were made.

That's awesome! Yeah it's really not that difficult to save up platinum if you plan on playing P99 for a while. As I said, even just 2 hours a day can easily translate to at least 500pp per day. You could definitely do better than that I am sure, especially if you have a static group of friends who can help hold money camps while XPing.

[Naethyn]

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[Crede]

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Ugh, I wish my shaman was an iksar

[Danth]

Note that Loramin can cap his stamina out any time he likes. He reaches 250 by using a single cheap stat potion and hits cap if he exchanges his goblin ear for stat ear and star of eyes, no other changes needed. He might not care enough to bother doing that, but the option's always present. Without knowing his equipment--can he increase/cap his mana just as easily if he so chooses?

I'm generally somewhere in the middle on this one, but I think Loramin's "95%" stat could use a disclaimer: That's mainly true of the people who level up a character then more or less retire it shortly after hitting level cap. That applies to a lot of players, to be sure. Some players continue heavily playing characters past that point, for whom the consideration changes. As always, a player should build a character for his own needs rather than trying to follow a one-size-fits-all guide. Suggestions such as in this thread are by necessity of a general nature only and can't always encompass all circumstances.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Note that Loramin can cap his stamina out any time he likes. He reaches 250 by using a single cheap stat potion and hits cap if he exchanges his goblin ear for stat ear and star of eyes, no other changes needed. He might not care enough to bother doing that, but the option's always present. Without knowing his equipment--can he increase/cap his mana just as easily if he so chooses?

I'm generally somewhere in the middle on this one, but I think Loramin's "95%" stat could use a disclaimer: That's mainly true of the people who level up a character then more or less retire it shortly after hitting level cap. That applies to a lot of players, to be sure. Some players continue heavily playing characters past that point, for whom the consideration changes. As always, a player should build a character for his own needs rather than trying to follow a one-size-fits-all guide. Suggestions such as in this thread are by necessity of a general nature only and can't always encompass all circumstances.

Danth

Agreed. I would say though that Shamans probably have a higher rate of being played once they hit 60, because Torpor is a game changer. I would be surprised if a lot of players spend around 100k on spells that cannot be resold and then just stop playing. This is another problem I have with his "95% of a Shaman's life" blackbox, because Shamans specifically play significantly different with Torpor. This should extend the life at which someone plays their character. It certainly did for me. If someone has stats that show otherwise I would be quite surprised.

Your logic applies better to characters that can have their gear swapped out at any time. Like if you have a floating Fungi Tunic, Cloak of Flames, etc. to deck out an alt. It's much easier to level them and stop, because you can just move that gear onto whatever new class fits your fancy. With casters it's a bit harder to do that due to how much plat you need to sink into spells. Unless you are someone who can just make money hand-over-fist of course[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]