Green should disallow GINA

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Ashenden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno man, I question people who are going to play on Green but think stuff like this is totally fine and not at all advantageous.

I am of the same opinion but the counter argument has been made that this is classic, if its not allowed then workarounds will be put in place just like the luclin models. These things are egg timers with text displays, they just augment a persons potential but do not define it. The 1% had something like this back in the day and its unfair to them to not have it on Green for their classic experience.

I would suggest, like Kelz, to consider getting good or pounding sand. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for Discord, the case had been made that RogerWilco was released in 1999. Because of this voice chat should be allowed and is classic, people made conference calls to play with friends so voice chat is classic for some. Discord though is more than simple chat but I doubt that will have any traction for an argument.

[Dolalin]

Originally Posted by Xallis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to me Gina is an intricate and meticulously set bunch of egg timers, most folk on this forum could code a version of a timer - even one based on log file parsing. So the form it takes is pretty irrelevant - some people will use it, most won't.

It would take a lot more effort and coordination to set up a meticulous number of egg timers than it takes to run GINA.

They are not equivalent.

You can kill someone both with a knife and with a gun. One is still more dangerous than the other. They are not equivalent.

[Izmael]

Voice comm isn't gong anywhere, unless R&N are ready to stick a policeman with a riot gun behind each player 24/7. Everyone has mobile phones and people can just use that with a headset to use Discord. So preventing it is pointless and I have no doubt R&N won't spend more than 1 second of their time to even consider that.

It's probably safe to stop bringing voice comm up in this thread. It's simply off-topic.

As for the egg timers - now that is perfectly classic. I think I used one myself occasionally back then.
But you have to set it yourself, not automate it through a log file parsing program.

[soronil]

Delay log dump to file by 5 sec. Done.
Classic atmosphere > classic mechanics

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Voice comm isn't gong anywhere, unless R&N are ready to stick a policeman with a riot gun behind each player 24/7. Everyone has mobile phones and people can just use that with a headset to use Discord. So preventing it is pointless and I have no doubt R&N won't spend more than 1 second of their time to even consider that.

It's probably safe to stop bringing voice comm up in this thread. It's simply off-topic.

As for the egg timers - now that is perfectly classic. I think I used one myself occasionally back then.
But you have to set it yourself, not automate it through a log file parsing program.

Sure, things have changed so much with many options for workarounds. So its not possible, still I would argue about that because its an extra form of coordination that didn't exist in era. I think the trolls going on about "How p99 is super easy lol no skill" stuck in my craw more than I would like to admit. It got me thinking about all of the advantages players have now compared to back then.

So it was more a thought exercise than a real request. I think behind it all I wanted some of these new players to know they are not getting the real experience and to take the wind out of some hardcores.

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[Izmael]

Oh I totally agree that voice comm is a plague. If you AFK for 10 seconds you can miss an important thing in voice comm, but won't miss it in /gu or /g

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wassup guys just enjoying some CLASSIC EVERQUEST here with my GINA/UI setup that gives me ABSOLUTELY NO gameplay advantages! Don't mind me! As classic as it gets!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwH5myJ6CIk

Classic EQ Sleepers Tomb Raid, Conquest Guild

[bwe]

Originally Posted by soronil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Delay log dump to file by 5 sec. Done.
Classic atmosphere > classic mechanics

This is a perfect solution

[dekova]

How would delaying a log by five seconds solve anything?

People adjust their timers for buffs/roots/spawns/mezzes accordingly.

[Vexenu]

Voice comms were around in the classic era but were nowhere near as prevalent as today. Roger Wilco was a very primitive and unreliable piece of software. I used to use it in 99/2000 while playing FPS games and it would regularly crash, especially once you had more than ten or twelve people in the server. It also had no chat functionality. IRC channels and AIM were much preferred means of communicating during that era. The vast majority of raiding in the classic era was done without the use of voice comms. I don't think that banning voice comms is realistic at this point, though, even though I greatly prefer to play without them.

In regards to GINA and log readers: if there was no other realistic means to ban them from Green, would it really be so bad to disable player logs entirely? Would most players miss that functionality? Would the game suddenly become unplayable without real-time DPS meters and such? Somehow I think we'd manage, especially knowing that basically everything worth parsing has already been parsed to death on Blue. At the very least, putting a delay on logging or eliminating the ability of the logs to be read in real time seems worth exploring.