Request for a different policy on (game-changing) specific item camps - Page 17

Kika Maslyaka · #**161** 04-19-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Klyre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not one to usually be questioning, or trollish. But I must say that everyone in this thread is now dumber for what you just said. I mean if this is the totality of your argument....Huh? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"just because you put time, effort, and dedication into something - doesn't mean you are in fact entitled to it, or its right or fair."

Really? This is the basis of all life to work for what you get. The only thing in there that you might argue is "fair". Ummmm but that's subjective...

I think I really am dumber from reading this...

you need understand a difference between putting a blind effort into something, and fruitfully working towards a goal.

What Nagash is saying, in simple terms - just because you have been moving 500 pound rock from location A to location B for duration of 6 months, doesn't mean that apple trees will suddenly grow in between them, or a God will smile on you and say - "that was some cool rock moving, i think i will make you a president of this country!"

In other words - blind effort doesn't lead to anything.

Kika Maslyaka · #**162** 04-19-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And just because you're standing next in line for something - doesn't mean you are in fact entitled to it, or its right or fair. Otherwise I could get laid a lot more by forming lines...

..So tales goes like this. There was this gold mine which was a communal property. And every miner could go into the mine, work for an hour, and carry out whatever amount of gold he managed to obtain.
Then some group of miners decided that they will block the entrance to the mine, so they and only they can get any gold, and rest can just go to hell...

Humerox · #**163** 04-20-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.Then some group of miners decided that they will block the entrance to the mine, so they and only they can get any gold, and rest can just go to hell...

or...some groups of miners decided to work together and get their gold first.

no one is getting denied. people are QQing because they didn't prepare/plan on getting whateveritis first. or they don't want to communicate with others about when they can get some whateveritis too.

Nagash · #**164** 04-20-2011, 06:01 AM

I'm not going to hold people's hand if they can't understand a basic example and draw some obvious conclusions from it, I do that for kids and will have the courtesy of considering you all as adults.

But back to the OP's point as I haven't said anything about this yet.

I would like to draw your attention to this post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653. This ruleset only refers to "player or group", nowhere is it mentionned guild.
Therefore, bringing the argument of saying "Yes but our group is a permanent (understand "over a ridiculous period of time" as we're not talking hours here) rotation of guildmates" is just trying to exploit this with no care for the other players/guilds on the server.

This doesn't mean either that a camp should be handed straight as soon as someone comes and asks for it but there is a huge gap between these 2 lasts examples. From my point of view, these two positions are equally ridiculous (but I haven't seen anyone taking the later one) and I believe the balance is somewhere in the middle.

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Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no one is getting denied.

This is where I believe a lot of people disagree with you.

Nagash/Petitpas

Humerox · #**165** 04-20-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nagash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where I believe a lot of people disagree with you.

They may be being denied when they want the camps...but everyone else has had to wait also.

The camps will be passed off. Everyone will eventually get a shot. No one is destroying pieces to deny content.

I also most certainly believe that guilds - people working together to achieve common goals - are greater than the individual in this game. For example...if guild B wants a shot at a camp guild A has...it's not hard to coordinate and work toward getting that camp. If you're not guilded...well, sorry...but the game rewards you last.

YendorLootmonkey · #**166** 04-20-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..So tales goes like this. There was this gold mine which was a communal property. And every miner could go into the mine, work for an hour, and carry out whatever amount of gold he managed to obtain.
Then some group of miners decided that they will block the entrance to the mine, so they and only they can get any gold, and rest can just go to hell...

Sorry, didn't realize everything in EQ was 'communal property'.

I'm here for my Cloak of Flames handout, please!

Nagash · #**167** 04-20-2011, 09:00 AM

For the moment, I can't add more than what I said as I seriously doubt this post is going anywhere. Everyone seems to firmly sit on one side of the fence trying to push it as much as they can to get the biggest possible share of the field and refusing to acknowledge other's point of view, even less understand it.
So on this note, Yendor can I ask you what's the name of the charming brunette in your signature? Got me drooling everytime you post. I sure wouldn't be interested in confirming the part of your sig quote about rangers but can't say the same about the part involving her :P

Nagash/Petitpas

YendorLootmonkey · #**168** 04-20-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nagash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the moment, I can't add more than what I said as I seriously doubt this post is going anywhere. Everyone seems to firmly sit on one side of the fence trying to push it as much as they can to get the biggest possible share of the field and refusing to acknowledge other's point of view, even less understand it.
So on this note, Yendor can I ask you what's the name of the charming brunette in your signature? Got me drooling everytime you post. I sure wouldn't be interested in confirming the part of your sig quote about rangers but can't say the same about the part involving her :P

Nagash/Petitpas

That's Gina Ryder.

But back on topic, the gap between the two viewpoints is because the two sides are playing completely different games. The casual gamers are playing by a 'everyone should get a fair shot at everything' ruleset and the power gamers are playing by a 'rewards should be directly related to time/effort invested' ruleset.

This has always been the difference in mindsets ever since the beginning of MMORPGs designed in this fashion.

Kika Maslyaka · #**169** 04-20-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, didn't realize everything in EQ was 'communal property'.

I'm here for my Cloak of Flames handout, please!

put a little more thought into it, before you draw such conclusions...
The LOOT is a private property. The CAMPS are communal property.
A right to a camp doesn't equal free handouts.
You still have to camp - put in your own effort into it to get it, but this doesn't mean you can sit here for days, getting 2nd drop, 3rd drop, 76th drop, until you, your friends, your guild, all their alts, and your dog got 3 each, and then another dozen to sell for cash.

An argument- "I will get my loot FIRST, and they will get their EVENTUALLY, WHEN I AM DONE" - is what I call GREED.

YendorLootmonkey · #**170** 04-20-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

put a little more thought into it, before you draw such conclusions...
The LOOT is a private property. The CAMPS are communal property.
A right to a camp doesn't equal free handouts.
You still have to camp - put in your own effort into it to get it, but this doesn't mean you can sit here for days, getting 2nd drop, 3rd drop, 76th drop, until you, your friends, your guild, all their alts, and your dog got 3 each, and then another dozen to sell for cash.

An argument- "I will get my loot FIRST, and they will get their EVENTUALLY, WHEN I AM DONE" - is what I call GREED.

No more greedy than showing up and saying 'okay GTFO, my turn to have these loots!!!!"

We all had the same opportunity to obtain and hold the camp. We all made different choices about how to pursue those opportunities on Kunark launch night. If your ass was not heading directly for whatever camp you're talking about wanting now the second Kunark launched, with whatever friends you needed to hold the camp as long as it took to make sure they all got hooked up, then you had other priorities that night and you need to accept the opportunity costs of the choices you made, just like the rest of us have to.