My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

k i googled it and their permit was issued.

what are you even mad about?

I'm not I'm proving to you that your government TRIED to take freedom of speech away.

You asked

I showed

Also google ruby ridge.

Waco.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also your goverment literally made it a crime not to be a socialist last go, so again, tell me how you are not a communist?

This is a good point about the USA.

People need to read their history and really understand exactly what the USA has done not just to it's own citizens but to other countries regarding democracy.

It's ironic that the country that spouts the most about "freedom for all" actually is one of the most responsible for creating oppression in once-democratically lead countries across the globe by destabilizing/destroying existing democratically lead foreign governments.

Just read on Iran and their democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and how the USA used the CIA to dismantle him and his government. Thanks to that, we now have non-democratic leaders ruling Iran who our media love to portray as raging tyrants. How did they get there? Oh, thanks! The USA put them in power by destroying the once democratic government that was there!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh

This has been the blueprint for the USA which we have followed and continue to follow to destroy and destabilize middle eastern countries. My point is this: Even though our country does this, it doesn't make us all anti-democratic commies, Mick.

[skarlorn]

i will try to read your gibberish tomorrow mick

[hyejin]

your a generous sir

[mickmoranis]

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[maskedmelon]

The issue that I take with feminism in its present incarnation is that it shames femininity by insisting non-feminine traits are more praiseworthy than feminine ones. Its measure
of successes is misguided. it assumes that if women enjoy equal treatment with men then they will and should share the same ambitions. feminism in its current
form is a glorification of dominance, aggression and violence.

if you consider yourself a feminist in the traditional sense, welcome to the realm of modern thought. very few people disagree with you. it's liek declaring opposition to theft.

advocacy is important though because it affords people purpose. when nature has been so completely subdued that outside of irresponsibility or catastrophe she poses no significant threat to one's existence, it is one's primal duty to fabricate such opposition to one's existence that survival is still hard-won.

it also affords others a few imaginary steps up the dominance hierarchy, by establishing their superiority over women. it is not possible to help a superior. one must enjoy superiority in some regard to be able to help. whether the superiority is a product of chance or choice and whether one considers it as such is irrelevant.

advocacy is about fabricating purpose for onself and elevating one's self-worth with subordination of others, all with indifference to reality.

of course very few people harbor malicious intent with regard to their advocacy. the vast majority are entirely unaware of what they are doing or why.

none of this is of course meant to trivialize or ridicule the desire to help others. that is an admirable and useful trait, but it is something of which we should be aware and strive to protect from exploitation by destructive reasoning.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue that I take with feminism in its present incarnation is that it shames femininity by insisting non-feminine traits are more praiseworthy than feminine ones. Its measure of successes is misguided. it assumes that if women enjoy equal treatment with men then they will and should share the same ambitions. feminism in its current form is a glorification of dominance, aggression and violence.

if you consider yourself a feminist in the traditional sense, welcome to the realm of modern thought. very few people disagree with you. it's liek declaring opposition to theft.

Where do you get this from? Not the part about how being against traditional feminism is like being against theft (100% agree), but the parts about how modern feminism "shames femininity by insisting non-feminine traits are more praiseworthy than feminine ones" or that "feminism in its current form is a glorification of dominance, aggression and violence."

People seem to have a lot of crazy ideas about what feminism is, and I blame TV. There are a lot of people claiming a lot of things on TV, and the people who make TV showcase the people with the most extraordinary claims because it makes for better ratings ("sensationalism"). So if you watch only cable news and think the people Fox and CNN choose to represent feminism you could easily get a distorted view.

But if you look at actual feminist activism, and I mean the mainstream stuff (eg. Planned Parenthood supporters not the fringe weirdos who say crazy stuff like "all sex is rape"), I don't see any of what you're talking about. I was fairly involved in feminism at an extremely liberal college (basically the movie PCU was based on us and Berkeley). There was nothing about feminine traits being more praiseworthy (although there certainly was some "hey these male traits have had an oversized influence on our society for a long time, maybe we should value some of the more feminine traits that we haven't traditionally valued?"). And there was certainly nothing about the "glorification of dominance, aggression and violence".

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where do you get this from? Not the part about how being against traditional feminism is like being against theft (100% agree), but the parts about how modern feminism "shames femininity by insisting non-feminine traits are more praiseworthy than feminine ones" or that "feminism in its current form is a glorification of dominance, aggression and violence."

im not confident in my ability to communicate this in a way that makes sense to you. I think you are probably better equipped to figure it out than i am to explain it ^^;

Let's start with a few questions:

1. what are feminine traits?
2. what are masculine traits?

People seem to have a lot of crazy ideas about what feminism is, and I blame TV. There are a lot of people claiming a lot of things on TV, and the people who make TV showcase the people with the most extraordinary claims because it makes for better ratings ("sensationalism"). So if you watch only cable news and think the people Fox and CNN choose to represent feminism you could easily get a distorted view.

i don't have cable television. the information that I consider comes from a variety of sources, none of which i visit habitually. if you would liek to point me to some of your preferred resources, I'll have a look at them ^^

But if you look at actual feminist activism, and I mean the mainstream stuff (eg. Planned Parenthood supporters not the fringe weirdos who say crazy stuff like "all sex is rape"), I don't see any of what you're talking about. I was fairly involved in feminism at an extremely liberal college (basically the movie PCU was based on us and Berkeley). There was nothing about feminine traits being more praiseworthy (although there certainly was some "hey these male traits have had an oversized influence on our society for a long time, maybe we should value some of the more feminine traits that we haven't traditionally valued?"). And there was certainly nothing about the "glorification of dominance, aggression and violence".

right on. it's not an overt advocacy for those things. if it were, most of the people who throw their support behind it would walk away. However, intent often fails to align with results. For example, a child might want to eat sugary treats every meal of every day even though they do not want cavities. similarly an addict may prefer to overindulge in certain stimuli even though they might not desire the accompanying costs in other areas of their life.

"The path to hell is paved with good intentions." as they say, or however that phrase goes. I'm not the greatest fan of proverbs (o^^o)


i would encourage you to consider the rest of my post though, because even though the particular excerpt you quoted is of interest to you, the latter part of that post is much more useful because it is broadly applicable ^^

[JurisDictum]

How I Reconciled Feminism with My First Step into the ‘Dark Side’ of BDSM

Adherents of radical feminism believe that egalitarianism means eradicating the desire for men and women to partake in domination games, particularly in sexuality. They criticize the consensual pain and domination experienced by submissive women yet gloss over the reality of submissive men, dominant women, and a plethora of powerful gender-bending LGBTQ people who partake in BDSM.

Human sexuality is not a neat and pretty package. It is the most lizard-like part of our brains. It is dark, dirty, mean, playful, dominant, submissive, and messy. That complexity and wildness is what makes sex fun, intense, complicated and dynamic. I won't be trading my kinky proclivities for the civil love-sessions of the sanctimonious.

Feminism has seemed to have turned into this kind of good ol' girls club. Where the elite, good-looking, interesting women write articles about whatever activities they are doing and then give a feminist take on it.

It's a social club where we all get together and reflect what its like to be a rich women and a rich man's world. Lots of talking about feelings, lots of abstract deep philosophy...

Not a lot there to do with petitioning the government. What laws do feminists want?

[hyejin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not the greatest fan of proverbs (o^^o)

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