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[Humerox]

hell yeah, lol...

[maegi]

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[apocalypsesmeep]

Originally Posted by Doubleplus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lawful Evil is adhering to the rules but using them to twist events in your favor. "Rules lawyering" is using regulations to shield yourself from retribution as well as an excuse to not have to do the right thing. In reality these people not only want to do the wrong thing, they want to not be accused and blamed as well instead being portrayed as honorable individuals.

Did any of you play D&D?

Finally claiming that "A mention of X guild was unnecessary you could have reported it to an officer." Is a PR move that is utilized by businesses since forever. It's also censorship and mud slinging to claim that the person should have reported it to "your" authorities instead of letting the public know.

It's very easy to know what type of person someone is by examining their actions. Everything else is an illusion.

I think this is the first thread I have actually really read on the forums. It gets at least 4 stars.

I can't believe the above quote was ignored though. This is the gem of the entire thread. VD's actions got called lawful evil, an alignment from a tabletop roleplaying game!

Today I gave some money to a homeless guy on the street, I think that is a neutral good act, could someone verify? If I add this to the times I have "stolen" camps from dead people, does this make me chaotic neutral?

Incidentally, I die an unusual amount of times at dhampyre to my own recklessness, and I have never blamed anyone for snatching the camp from me. I just politely ask if I can get in line behind them.

I've had this happen to me at dino when my partner was -there- and looting his corpse. Guy swooped in and took the camp. We thought we were in the right, and defended it and he eventually left. This made Hobby pretty mad when he showed up. Very few people are going to cut you a break on things like that, and the rules definitely maintain that the camp is not yours unless you are there and not afk when the mob spawns. (dino is a bit different since it falls under outdoor pathing mobs.)

It's not a right or wrong act, it's just how the game is played. If you want to take that extra step and allow someone to retake the camp, more power to you, but don't expect that to be the norm.

-Kaushi

[Odeseus]

The OP returns! Basically, instead of writing a wall of text, I simply have a question (or series of questions, if you will).

How did you come to the decision that the actions taken at that point in time were reprehensible? I would like to know if you thought about it at any great length or if the situation just felt wrong to you. And based on this, how did you come to the decision to post the situation on the forums? And a side question, how did you form your own moral view from the situation? And do you think that your moral judgments in this situation may have been wrong?

You basically came into this spitting hellfire and 100% secure in your judgment of what was just and unjust in the situation. I am just curious how you came to this conclusion, and how you are so steadfast in your opinion on the matter.

[Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Odeseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The OP returns! Basically, instead of writing a wall of text, I simply have a question (or series of questions, if you will).

How did you come to the decision that the actions taken at that point in time were reprehensible? I would like to know if you thought about it at any great length or if the situation just felt wrong to you. And based on this, how did you come to the decision to post the situation on the forums? And a side question, how did you form your own moral view from the situation? And do you think that your moral judgments in this situation may have been wrong?

You basically came into this spitting hellfire and 100% secure in your judgment of what was just and unjust in the situation. I am just curious how you came to this conclusion, and how you are so steadfast in your opinion on the matter.

inb4 overly grandiose reply from OP about the fading morality in the MMO culture of today.

[Doubleplus]

i think we should shit all over everyone, everywhere till everything degrades into complete state of madness

the people who care will be nerds
the people who don't will be cool

: D

[maegi]

I"m not getting any life readings on the tricorder Jim

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Phragmar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moreover, I certainly don't have any delusions of stirring moral conviction in those of you who have made it abundantly clear that you prefer moral bankruptcy.

Wait, am I considered morally bankrupt because I choose to play by the rules, or because I don't choose to play by your made-up rules?

Because that's all this really boils down to.

You come in here with your holier-than-thou, self-righteous attitude and then call those of us out who don't play by your style of idealistic play? Because we are not doing what YOU think is morally right?

This is a game. We play to have fun. We all have our various ideas of what is fun for ourselves, but one thing remains consistent: it is NO ONE's place to tell me how I should have fun playing a game, so long as I am following the established rules. Not "hiding behind the rules" or "rules lawyers" as those who would rather pick and choose which rules to abide by might say. Following the objective rules set forth by the server administration team so that there would clear and concise rules of engagement regarding the majority of potential conflicts in a game designed with high demand, low supply, and as a huge time sink.

Perhaps you have fun playing Everquest stuffing your moral high ground down everyone's throat. Fine, I accept that. But don't come here all butthurt and call us out by guild and names when a bunch of us don't find that "fun". The rules are fairly simple... you have the camp until you can demonstrate you can no longer hold the camp. Then it's someone else's turn.

Sure, I would love to be able to die at a camp, come back, and have it handed back over to me when I get back with a friendly "Sorry, bro... here's some buffs... have at it again!". If you could magically guarantee me everyone would do that, then that would certainly be what I'd like to do for the victim when I encounter the same situation from the other side of the table. But if I relinquish the camp to the person who died to try to be a Good Samaritan, there is no guarantee that when I get the camp and if I am not able to hold it for whatever reason, that the next person who comes along will extend me the same courtesy.

So, over time, if I'm always the one giving up the camp, yet the same courtesy is not guaranteed to me, I'm going to get burnt. So I instead choose to look to the rule set that governs the server so that I can behave in the same consistent manner that I am expected to behave.

How does that make me morally bankrupt? It just makes me someone who chooses not to be a doormat and leave myself open to being taken advantage of by people who would not show me the same courtesy if I gave something up when I was not obligated to do so.

[Doubleplus]

Ah yendor has chosen someone else instead of replying to me. Interesting.

[Darian]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Losing your camp can be unfortunate, but the people that arrive in the 30 seconds you are gone legitimately, are not 'douchebags'.

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