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[Lhancelot]

The passion exhibited in this thread over McDonalds is riveting, to say the least.

That being said, I have my own personal story to share with you about McDonalds, fellas!

As a child I despised hamburger, as I always tended to chew my food quite thoroughly. Chewing hamburger thoroughly seemed to always produce bits of bone and gristle which I found disgusting.

It wasn't until many years later, while in basic training as a young 17 year old I had to learn how to eat hamburger meat, as this was a common meal served to us at least once a week.

Being allotted a small amount of time to eat with drill sergeants barking at us to scarf our food down as quickly as possible all the while being reminded not to talk to any surrounding soldiers in the chow hall inadvertently taught me the proper method to eating hamburger meat.

Essentially the most important thing to do when eating hamburger meat is to not chew it thoroughly, only break the meat up enough so as to swallow small chunks down, similar to how a shark takes chunks out of a floundering seal, gulping chunks of the flesh in pieces.

For this revelation, I owe the U.S. Army.

You may wonder what this has to do with McDonalds, and here it is.

Leaving Fort Jackson with my parents, before heading to AIT, my parents asked me where I wanted to go to lunch, and my first thought was McDonalds.

You see, all my life I had never eaten a Big Mac, I had only heard of them, never once had I ever tried a Big Mac!

My total disgust for hamburger all of my juvenile life held me hostage from the exquisite experience of eating a Big Mac....

Anyway, much to the surprise of my parents, I requested that we go to McDonalds, and I had my first Big Mac at the age of 18, as I had a birthday while in basic training.

For many years I continued eating Big Macs and all other assorted hamburgers from other restaurants, until about five years ago, when I then stopped eating beef and other processed meats.

Anyway, I just felt like sharing with you my good McDonalds story!

[radda]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I am just average sized and eat a normal sized dinner?

I've talked to people at the bar recently about it, during the day, on no drinks (i dont drink, i pick up takeout) and they said the same thing. They go to McDonalds and blow 50 bucks so they don't go.

Can you order some small cuck items off the bitch menu and spent less than 10 dollars? probably but the real items cost real money.

meant to qoute this above

[Yasi]

Considering the reward (playtime fun), I always found 15$ a month a fair deal. Going to the cinema with some popcorn and a coke equals 2 months of playtime. I think it is a cheap hobby. However, this logic came to me at a time when ppl did not expect anything on the internet to be free.

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by Yasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering the reward (playtime fun), I always found 15$ a month a fair deal. Going to the cinema with some popcorn and a coke equals 2 months of playtime. I think it is a cheap hobby. However, this logic came to me at a time when ppl did not expect anything on the internet to be free.

The p2play is fine, it's the p2w/p2a that makes it seem like stagnant moneygrab garbage that you could find in almost any private server of any game (or even legit games/servers) that lets you pay for "minor advantages"

I'd rather pay a higher monthly fee than play on a server that sells perks. Matter of fact, I refuse to play on servers that sell perks ("minor" or otherwise).

It's like being offered a discount hotel room, but the bed/sheets/pillowcase/shampoo/water/ice/curtains/doorlock/do not disturb sign "minor advantages" all cost extra. Sure, It's a hotel room, it's got a roof, you can sleep in it, but you're not getting "the whole thing" unless you shell out to the moneygrab.

If they offered a server with twice the monthly cost but no p2w bullshit I'd actually give it a try, As it stands...garbage.

Also the dynamic of being able to pay for your subscription with tradeable krono (buyable with cash) which players can trade is flat out RMT.

[Andos]

Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like being offered a discount hotel room, but the bed/sheets/pillowcase/shampoo/water/ice/curtains/doorlock/do not disturb sign "minor advantages" all cost extra. Sure, It's a hotel room, it's got a roof, you can sleep in it, but you're not getting "the whole thing" unless you shell out to the moneygrab.

Bad analogy, if anything the cash shop is like a mini bar. Nothing you can't easily live without, you can save some time by grabbing something from it, or you can walk down the street and grab something for a little more effort/time. Oh no, people are getting XP pots and stupid graphics, my game is ruined, oh wait it won't effect my game because I'll be able to play instanced content with my guild without having to deal with unemployed neckbeards waiting to race for a 2 year old mob to spawn for 12 hours.

[Yasi]

I am a huge fan of RMT as it allows me to get some stuff with limited time but extra funds to spare. I always wished p99 would allow for RMT and I think in the end, not being able to buy some pp killed it for me at some point. But my personal believes are a different story here :P

I wouldn't really call daybreak's model p2w (I am not used to the term p2a - what is p2a?) but I guess that also depends on where you get your fun out of a MMORPG. If you want to be the fastest leveler, then it is p2w. But if you don't care if you're the first to reach max level, it doesn't rly matter. You can't buy anything that makes your character stronger than other characters - which would be p2w for me and ruin my experience.

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by Andos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bad analogy, if anything the cash shop is like a mini bar. Nothing you can't easily live without, you can save some time by grabbing something from it, or you can walk down the street and grab something for a little more effort/time.

I was going to originally use the minbar as an example, but it gets dumb because like you said, You can just walk down the street to avoid the stupid pricing. The problem is with a MMO is the ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME is to spend effort/time, not money. If you want to throw money at a game, go to a casino. At least you get liquor.

Originally Posted by Yasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not being able to buy some pp killed it for me at some point.

I wouldn't really call daybreak's model p2w (I am not used to the term p2a - what is p2a?) but I guess that also depends on where you get your fun out of a MMORPG. If you want to be the fastest leveler, then it is p2w. But if you don't care if you're the first to reach max level, it doesn't rly matter. You can't buy anything that makes your character stronger than other characters - which would be p2w for me and ruin my experience.

P2A pay to advance/advantage.

You can use krono to play.
You can buy krono with cash.
You can trade krono with players.
So, the economy is based heavily around krono, considering, yknow, krono enables play (or your own cash)

So...You can buy krono, and trade it for anything else that is normally trade-able (and probably loot rights, etc)

Now, The next argument will be "But you can only use it for subscriptionszzz111!!!!

Yeah, but you can be 100% fucking sure that its opened up a "black market" for krono. You can probably find krono cheaper than what you can find it from the server store from illegitimate sources.

"But I don't use those sources so it doesn't matter to me!"
"Those people get banned!"

Yeah, and?
The market revolves around krono, the server prints krono, sells them to players. Some use them, some trade them, some farm like old *insert nationality here* gold farmers on WOW. Even if they DO get banned, the market is still fucked, server still gets their cash, and prints new krono. It's actually beneficial for the gold farm mentality to the server owners, because the small percentage of people that they catch and ban, the server is essentially refunding themselves the krono they inflated the market with, without having to give back the money that was originally paid for the krono.

Good for the bottom line, terrible game.

[Xzavie]

Paying for EQ is classic AF.

[Rang]

The market revolves around krono, the server prints krono, sells them to players. Some use them, some trade them, some farm like old *insert nationality here* gold farmers on WOW. Even if they DO get banned, the market is still fucked, server still gets their cash, and prints new krono. It's actually beneficial for the gold farm mentality to the server owners, because the small percentage of people that they catch and ban, the server is essentially refunding themselves the krono they inflated the market with, without having to give back the money that was originally paid for the krono

You make some valid points but raid loot is still non trade and requires cooperation of a guild to obtain so yes Krono campers / farmers are a pain but only for tradeable items. I suppose loot rights could be sold but corpse timers still restrict that to a certain degree. And once the later xpacs come out all the BiS stuff is no trade that requires a guild raid.

[Relbaic]

Originally Posted by Xzavie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Paying for EQ is classic AF.