WTS Plane of Hate : Loot Rights List

[spanky_kc]

have you seen my WTB post? easily needing 800k+ in items that no one is willing to sell yet. I have a RL Job + Don't need p99 to fix my income. We play the game to have fun and do challenging content with low #'s, not pay for my Grandma's depends while i live in her basement.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You apparently dont understand how PoH is done. You dont crawl, that creates massive trains and kills everyone. You pull to 3 or 4 different camps. The minis dont do anything special and can all be slowed except the spite one. So going over the pull and preparing with 30 people is a really lame excuse. Not to mention that just about all of the minis can be pulled easily with 2 monks after minimal if any clearing.

I never said anything about crawling. Just about getting set up in one of the few places that you mentioned, and this is exactly what is part of the issue. According to the rules, if my raid is gathered at one of these points waiting for the cleric to take a crap before we pull our target or maybe we're explaining how the pull will happen because one of our monks has never done it before, or any other reason that happens all the time in this game. You and your raid/group are technically allowed to pull our target if it has not been engaged, seeing as no one kills targets at there spawn in hate (as you so kindly pointed out) nothing is ever technically camped. Even though you and I both knew that that was our intended target in this hypothetical situation that happened to A Guild last week.

And clearing is definitely involved in hate by the way. Not a full zone clear, but you need to break in for christs sake and then clear to where your setting up. Or do you and your friends have magical powers?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said anything about crawling. Just about getting set up in one of the few places that you mentioned, and this is exactly what is part of the issue. According to the rules, if my raid is gathered at one of these points waiting for the cleric to take a crap before we pull our target or maybe we're explaining how the pull will happen because one of our monks has never done it before, or any other reason that happens all the time in this game. You and your raid/group are technically allowed to pull our target if it has not been engaged, seeing as no one kills targets at there spawn in hate (as you so kindly pointed out) nothing is ever technically camped. Even though you and I both knew that that was our intended target in this hypothetical situation that happened to A Guild last week.

And clearing is definitely involved in hate by the way. Not a full zone clear, but you need to break in for christs sake and then clear to where your setting up. Or do you and your friends have magical powers?

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the target you are after is up because that small group spent the time to clear place holders and spawn it. There are no raid mobs in plane of hate except for inny. Notice now none of the minis have an FTE message? You may have a leg to stand on if each mini was on a set 8 hour respawn without having a place holder, however that isn't how it works. Hate minis are basically rare spawns with place holders on an 8 hour timer. You want some kind of entitlement to a magi then go up and learn how to clear the phs and then go back 8 hours later and do it again.

I have repeatedly said that I am not a part of the group that is farming hate. You are free to log out up in hate just like these people are doing, you choose not to and then complain when they can pull and kill a mob faster than you. As they also have to clear out the room or camp they are pulling to.

You realize that you can go weeks without even seeing a magi? Last I heard they are 8+ weeks without seeing a staff. So I'm not even sure what your complaint is. Move faster and pull quicker, just because you are slowly meandering towards a target doesn't mean you have a claim on it.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the target you are after is up because that small group spent the time to clear place holders and spawn it. There are no raid mobs in plane of hate except for inny. Notice now none of the minis have an FTE message? You may have a leg to stand on if each mini was on a set 8 hour respawn without having a place holder, however that isn't how it works. Hate minis are basically rare spawns with place holders on an 8 hour timer. You want some kind of entitlement to a magi then go up and learn how to clear the phs and then go back 8 hours later and do it again.

I have repeatedly said that I am not a part of the group that is farming hate. You are free to log out up in hate just like these people are doing, you choose not to and then complain when they can pull and kill a mob faster than you. As they also have to clear out the room or camp they are pulling to.

You realize that you can go weeks without even seeing a magi? Last I heard they are 8+ weeks without seeing a staff. So I'm not even sure what your complaint is. Move faster and pull quicker, just because you are slowly meandering towards a target doesn't mean you have a claim on it.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm very aware that no hate mobs have FTE other than innoruk. And I'm aware your not part of the group, haven't said you are. I'm also aware of how spawning and tracking named mobs works. And I'm not asking for any sort of entitlement to anything.

All I'm saying, is that the way the rules are currently implemented and enforced leaves the door open for a ton of asshattery as has been witnessed by multiple people and groups.

Also, you are assuming that only this small group is clearing placeholders and tracking there targets, when that is not the case. Plenty of people clear ph's and track targets.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm very aware that no hate mobs have FTE other than innoruk. And I'm aware your not part of the group, haven't said you are. I'm also aware of how spawning and tracking named mobs works. And I'm not asking for any sort of entitlement to anything.

All I'm saying, is that the way the rules are currently implemented and enforced leaves the door open for a ton of asshattery as has been witnessed by multiple people and groups.

Also, you are assuming that only this small group is clearing placeholders and tracking there targets, when that is not the case. Plenty of people clear ph's and track targets.

Oh really? When was the last time you cleared the PHs every 8 hours for 8 weeks? I know they haven't made every respawn however in that time they have gotten at most 1 earth staff. You think the time invested doesn't warrant them being able to make some plat? Obviously you're tracking hate, that doesn't mean the magi that spawned was due to anything you did. All you're doing is admitting you aren't committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity which isn't how anything works.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh really? When was the last time you cleared the PHs every 8 hours for 8 weeks? I know they haven't made every respawn however in that time they have gotten at most 1 earth staff. You think the time invested doesn't warrant them being able to make some plat? Obviously you're tracking hate, that doesn't mean the magi that spawned was due to anything you did. All you're doing is admitting you aren't committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity which isn't how anything works.

Your still assuming an awful lot. For one, I'm not tracking hate or killing PH's and I never said I was or that I was responsible for or entitled to anything, just that more people than your friends are killing and tracking. And I'm not saying that there not allowed to make plat. ALL IM SAYING is that the server rules as they stand leave the door open for asshattery, such as the asshattery happening in hate currently.

Also, just a little FYI, I haven't demanded anything. And I'm not currently after anything from hate. So im not sure why your accusing me of "admitting I'm not committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity..." when that is simply not the case. But for you to think that your friends are the only ones committing time and killing ph's in hate is simply ignorant on your part.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your still assuming an awful lot. For one, I'm not tracking hate or killing PH's and I never said I was or that I was responsible for or entitled to anything, just that more people than your friends are killing and tracking. And I'm not saying that there not allowed to make plat. ALL IM SAYING is that the server rules as they stand leave the door open for asshattery, such as the asshattery happening in hate currently.

Also, just a little FYI, I haven't demanded anything. And I'm not currently after anything from hate. So im not sure why your accusing me of "admitting I'm not committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity..." when that is simply not the case. But for you to think that your friends are the only ones committing time and killing ph's in hate is simply ignorant on your part.

If you aren't tracking hate or killing the place holders then how do you know how often anyone other than this small group is up there clearing place holders?

If it doesn't affect you in any way why are you so upset by their actions? Seems like clearing a PH and then waiting for it to respawn is exactly how you actually camp anything in this game, which is exactly what they are doing.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you aren't tracking hate or killing the place holders then how do you know how often anyone other than this small group is up there clearing place holders?

If it doesn't affect you in any way why are you so upset by their actions? Seems like clearing a PH and then waiting for it to respawn is exactly how you actually camp anything in this game, which is exactly what they are doing.

I have friends too, that's how I know. And it does affect me in some ways. My friends/guildies/the rest of the server are getting bottlenecked by these guys. If all they want is a staff of earth, fine, camp it 24/7 till your socks overflow with poop, get your item, and leave. But if all they need is a staff of earth, why are they selling/mq'ing every other drop from the zone? And actively racing to those other mobs against other groups.

Instead, they are trying to monopolize all the drops from hate, which in the end will skew our servers economy even further into the crapper, and yes, that affects me and every other player on this server. Though that's not why I care. I care because, as I said before... The current rules and there enforcement leave the door open for all sorts of asshattery....

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have friends too, that's how I know. And it does affect me in some ways. My friends/guildies/the rest of the server are getting bottlenecked by these guys. If all they want is a staff of earth, fine, camp it 24/7 till your socks overflow with poop, get your item, and leave. But if all they need is a staff of earth, why are they selling/mq'ing every other drop from the zone? And actively racing to those other mobs against other groups.

Instead, they are trying to monopolize all the drops from hate, which in the end will skew our servers economy even further into the crapper, and yes, that affects me and every other player on this server. Though that's not why I care. I care because, as I said before... The current rules and there enforcement leave the door open for all sorts of asshattery....

Not a single staff in 8 weeks, how are they bottle necking anyone again? A majority of what they are selling drops from trash mobs and not even the minis. You're argument is due to your friends misinforming you and you not understanding the reality of the zone. Your friends are not going to hate on a daily basis to clear placeholders, stop even trying to insinuate otherwise. But please keep thinking these guys are bottlenecking the server when the drop your "friends" are bitching about hasn't even dropped.

Unless you're saying there should also be a rotation on hate minis nothing they are doing would have even been counter to the PnP that your "friend" has been pushing in the server chat forum. Hate minis spawn every 8 hours, tell your friends to make some actual friends and go camp in hate until you get your mage staff.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a single staff in 8 weeks, how are they bottle necking anyone again? A majority of what they are selling drops from trash mobs and not even the minis. You're argument is due to your friends misinforming you and you not understanding the reality of the zone. Your friends are not going to hate on a daily basis to clear placeholders, stop even trying to insinuate otherwise. But please keep thinking these guys are bottlenecking the server when the drop your "friends" are bitching about hasn't even dropped.

Unless you're saying there should also be a rotation on hate minis nothing they are doing would have even been counter to the PnP that your "friend" has been pushing in the server chat forum. Hate minis spawn every 8 hours, tell your friends to make some actual friends and go camp in hate until you get your mage staff.

What "friend" are you talking about? I know no one bitching in server chat about this (I know it's happening, but know none of them). And I'm confused how spending 8 weeks camping a drop that you fully intend to SELL and CAN NOT USE is not bottlenecking... They are literally trying to force everyone to buy there epic pieces from them... I.e. bottlenecking... Also, as I've said before, I know they aren't breaking rules, that is my issue, that the rules allow them to do this.

And as far as there loot list goes, yay, they have pieces that drop from trash mobs for sale, I guess that makes it all ok... never mind that any mages, rangers, and all the other classes that need epic drops from nameds in hate are being bottlenecked and quite literally forced to buy them.

Also, just because they haven't gotten a staff, doesn't mean that monopolizing the zone and mob isn't bottlenecking... The activity is bottlenecking regardless of if the RNG gives you the drop or not.

And your contradicting yourself. Previously you said that the hate minis aren't even guaranteed to pop every 8 hours and that these guys are working hard by logging on and keeping the ph's down. But you've just stated that "hate minis spawn every 8 hours, tell your friends to make some actual friends and go camp hate till they get there staff."

So which is it? Hard work keeping ph's down? Or easy life just logging in every eight hours to kill a named and loot it?

And another thing. For not being part of there group you sure know a helluva lot about what they are killing, when they are killing it, and exactly what they are or are not looting off of it.

Have a good night, I'm done arguing with you. It's quite pointless when you aren't even trying to back up your arguments but instead are regurgitating them anew whenever I challenge them.

Your whole argument has been based around how "hard there working" and "how much time they are investing" and that they "haven't violated the pnp". So why is it that no one else's "hard work" and "time invested" matters when it comes to this? I've heard of multiple groups/raids that put the time in to track the target, confirm it was up and mobilize to kill it, only to essentially be ks'ed by these guys as they log on when there timer goes off. Why is it only there time that matters to you? And not everyone else's?

And just in case you miss it yet again. MY ISSUE IS WITH THE SERVER RULES ALLOWING THIS SORT OF MONOPOLIZATION. Not necessarily with the fact they are doing it. But with the fact that they are being allowed to.

I mean come on, this is supposed to be a die hard, staple your balls to the floor if you do something not classic server. Yet, they nerfed ALL CLASSES aoe spells to hit only 25 targets because a very small percentage of the server population was MONOPOLIZING a zone, and or bards were causing "zone disruption". They in essence, "punished" everyone that played an aoe class because of the actions of a few. So why are they not punishing these few for the same action of zone monopolization? If they only want to provide a service and make money. Then why not work as mercenaries? "Oh, you need that drop but can't muster a force to kill it? We will get it for you, or get you there to loot it, for a fee". That makes complete sense to me, providing a service. Instead there like "oh, pretty much everyone needs something from this zone for there epic or to complete there gear, let's kill everything all the time so that no one else can get any of this stuff and force people to buy it from us". Not a service, a monopolization.