If you believe in god, you're an idiot... - Page 17

DetroitVelvetSmooth · #**161** 01-14-2011, 09:34 PM

It is not technology that limits out understanding of that era of the history of the universe, but our cosmological perspective itself. Unless you are familiar with the underpinnings of the Big Bang theory (which you described as "one of several generally accepted theories. Ha. What are these other generally accepted theories?) you really have no place commenting on the state of humanities understanding of the universe. Quick, what role did the discovery of the "red-shift" play in out understanding of the cosmos and our place in it? If you can't answer that quickly and definitively without use of the internet you should STFU, you are out of your depth. Moron.

DetroitVelvetSmooth · #**162** 01-14-2011, 09:35 PM

LET ME EDIT MY TYPOS!! NOOOO!

Daldolma · #**163** 01-14-2011, 10:46 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

Like I said -- read more, talk less. Technology is a huge obstacle in understanding whether or not the Big Bang Theory is even viable. And when you sort out the difference between plural and possessive (humanities understanding? Really?), we can delve into red-shift and why you believe you have the right to have me jump through intellectual hoops to earn my chops on a subject that is a footnote to a footnote of the original argument.

The Big Bang Theory is not the issue. The technological requirements for proving the viability of the Big Bang Theory is not the issue. The requisite time and advancement necessary to reach these technological requirements is not the issue.

The point was that we, as a species, have extremely insufficient information regarding the universe's origins in order to make any conclusive claims regarding whether or not a God was necessary or responsible. I'll save you the time of a breathy and angry response: there is nothing to disagree with.

DetroitVelvetSmooth · #**164** 01-14-2011, 10:58 PM

As I said, TYPOS! NOOO! and yeah, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. You lose. It's obvious who's done more reading in this field.

Mardur · #**165** 01-14-2011, 11:07 PM

This thread is even worse than that math one.

Alawen Everywhere · #**166** 01-14-2011, 11:21 PM

In the Iroquois creation myth, the world was created on the back of a giant turtle. I like that one.

RocketMoose · #**167** 01-14-2011, 11:33 PM

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To be fair, the logical extension that everyone who died before Jesus was born (and therefore could not accept his divinity) is in Hell is just stupid.

No one said that. If you recall that the Old Testament was pre Jesus, and it didn't say they all went to Hell, if you'll remember some were even called to Heaven without dying, and got to ride up in a Chariot of Fire...

There was still God then, there was just a different form of communicating. See, there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. It's been that way from the beginning, so people gave of their best, and sacrificed it, whether it was their best lamb, their best goat, whatever they had. They gave their best, but when Jesus came, He didn't eliminate the sacrifice, he just paid the ultimate sacrifice so no more blood was to be shed.

So I don't know why anyone would say this, or believe this, I agree that's just stupid.

boboo · #**168** 01-14-2011, 11:49 PM

2 points in my life where I stopped beleiving in god.

First time: I was about 10 years old, and killing bees by whamming my 2 hands together like HAHA i win stupid bee, whos stinging me now? That was as a revenge for getting stung earlier in my young life. My school principal was called Father Legault (a catholic). Feeling subconsciously guilty, i asked him if bees went to heaven. He tells me no. I ask him why. He snaps... THEY JUST DONT!! Thats when my faith in god took a large nose dive. If the school principal of the school where the choirboys of the biggest church in Canada learned to sing didnt know why bees didnt go to heaven, that was a bit fucked up i thought.

Look at how big it is, JUST LOOK AT IT:

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The final nail in the coffin: Wasnt religious to begin with, but im bored babysitting at 15, and theres a bible hanging around in the bookcase. I open it at a random spot. Genesis. There i read that the egyptians decided to not pursue the jews into the desert. But to make a point, god controls their mind like some evil cartoon villain and he leads them toward the desert, THEN DROWNS THEM ALL BY SLAMMING BOTH SIDES OF A SEA ON THEM. What a beautiful heart warming story i thought. That sealed the deal of my faith in a biblical god.

Daldolma · #**169** 01-15-2011, 12:53 AM

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The final nail in the coffin: Wasnt religious to begin with, but im bored babysitting at 15, and theres a bible hanging around in the bookcase. I open it at a random spot. Genesis. There i read that the egyptians decided to not pursue the jews into the desert. But to make a point, god controls their mind like some evil cartoon villain and he leads them toward the desert, THEN DROWNS THEM ALL BY SLAMMING BOTH SIDES OF A SEA ON THEM. What a beautiful heart warming story i thought. That sealed the deal of my faith in a biblical god.

Dude, Old Testament God is a baller. He did a lot of smiting in those days.

Alawen Everywhere · #**170** 01-15-2011, 01:23 AM

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No one said that. If you recall that the Old Testament was pre Jesus, and it didn't say they all went to Hell, if you'll remember some were even called to Heaven without dying, and got to ride up in a Chariot of Fire...

There was still God then, there was just a different form of communicating. See, there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. It's been that way from the beginning, so people gave of their best, and sacrificed it, whether it was their best lamb, their best goat, whatever they had. They gave their best, but when Jesus came, He didn't eliminate the sacrifice, he just paid the ultimate sacrifice so no more blood was to be shed.

So I don't know why anyone would say this, or believe this, I agree that's just stupid.

Yeah, that would be dumb! Clearly those Old Testament people just had to ritually slaughter some cattle and then they could go to heaven!