AoW hasn't been killed in more than week, is Blue becoming like Red?

[LostCause]

drugs

[Izmael]

Top raid zones should totally be made PvP (with no level restriction) for at least a month or two. Then reassess the situation.

It wouldn't be classic but so isn't the variance or the general crapshoot that is raiding on blue.

[Deneras]

OR.. ok.. OR..

We can take away timers on raid mobs entirely and have 1 quake every week that is on a 16 hour timer. That way when the quake happens and A/A is busy going after all the big mobs, CSG et al could casually take out WToV dragons and maybe sneak in a Cekenar or a Jorlleag.

Everyone gets dragons and pixels. No more windows getting spread out etc.

Gj, nice work. Keep it up.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to understand that there are two distinct types of people in these guilds: trackers/racers and warm bodies. As you say, casting torpor or hitting the backstab button is pretty trivial. However, racing is not. Even if Bill Gates offered me 1 million dollars per Vulak FTE, I don't have the focus to stare at the screen for 16 hours at a time and then race up efficiently. People who can and will do this are very valuable here - there are probably only 20-30 of them on the entire server.

Now, I think this a fucking stupid thing to be good at. And I think it's crazy that the staff have deliberately created a raid scene that is finely tuned for 20 players out of 2000+ that play here regularly at high level. I would be very curious to hang out at a staff meeting about this some time. But, it's not going to change and that's what Phinigel is for.

The problem IMO is when A/A members start conflating racing with actual EverQuest. For example, Detoxx/Legday's suggestion that A/A could race for NTOV dragons but then leave them up until the end of the week. This only makes sense if they seriously believe that no other guilds are capable of killing them uncontested, which is of course complete nonsense. Or all of the updates to the various guild threads where they claim to be elite in some way or another.

It would have required agreement from (at least) Rustle, CSG, and Awakened. If those 3 forces and Aftermath all agreed to leave targets for the better of the majority of the raiders on this server's sanity, I doubt other casual guilds would want to go against it and put themselves in a position to have pissed off the 4 largest guilds.

Maybe they would have, but we've always tried to be as cool as possible with the more casual raiding guilds. I think there is some mutual respect there.

[nhdjoseywales]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was pro at Counter strike Source, now semi-pro (esea main) in Cs Go..

Was top 1% in HoN MMR, also reached 4K mmr in Dota 2.

EverQuest takes A LOT more skill then those games. I mean, think about it. Just think about it. It's not easy hitting Q THEN having to micromanage backstabs, or hell, epic fist and kicks...

Or timing the Complete Heals. That shit is tough.

I'm fucking kidding. I'd be willing to go as far as saying raids on WoW are harder then P99. The hard part is having the nerd strength to poop sock long enough to get FTE.

Personally, I think it's terrible. I really wish each guild that proved itself worthy would get designated times to kill content, with GM respawns. That's the only thing that makes sense in my head. I want to have full raid gear for my monk soo fucking bad.. but jesus.. not THAT bad.

Try Phinny. You can join OGC and be fully geared in a month or so if you raid a lot. We had fists of nature go to an alt last night.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raev that post was for all guilds, not specific to Awakened and Aftermath, you should know this. We've been around this velious content long enough to know this shit is completely trivial especially under the new rule set.

Oh OK. But why would you expect the other guilds to sacrifice attempts at targets (that they get far less frequently) to lower your total tracking hours? I mean, if A/A had agreed to forfeit a cycle as long as everything was killed on a weekend I could see it working, but I would think you guys would have to make some concessions there.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh OK. But why would you expect the other guilds to sacrifice attempts at targets (that they get far less frequently) to lower your total tracking hours? I mean, if A/A had agreed to forfeit a cycle as long as everything was killed on a weekend I could see it working, but I would think you guys would have to make some concessions there.

Maybe that is where negotiations would have gone and its not unreasonable, but I think the other guilds know that with windows very spaced out they have very little chance to beat either A/A when we're focused on 1 or 2 targets at a time. Stacked windows are better for everybody. I'm not sure how that is even remotely questionable.

[Breaken]

No, he is talking about a few months back when Aftermath trained Awakened, and refused to concede the mob. How is this me being unreasonable? I think you need to look inward before directing your frustration outward.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by jda23 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Legday is mentally handicap IRL.

Did you ever pay Nuk that 10k?

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, he is talking about a few months back when Aftermath trained Awakened, and refused to concede the mob. How is this me being unreasonable? I think you need to look inward before directing your frustration outward.

Lets call this how it is. We race from the Entrance of ToV, no? Aftermaths camp is the entrance. Has been for months. Awakeneds camp is LtK. Has been for months.

You stood at the entrance with your 5 FTErs while we pulled in Vulak. Vulak has JUST been changed to not be able to kite any additional dragons that spawn while hes engaged. Cekenar popped while we were fighting Vulak and of course comes to the zone in. Instead of being reasonable and rational human beings, you decided to try and coerce the system by keeping your FTErs at the zone line, intentionally getting trained and claiming you didn't move in case something else spawned while we were killing Vulak and you needed to race.

Lets think about this for a second. The current rules state that a guild engaged in a mob cannot engage in another at the same time. That takes your ridiculous claim of needing to stay on the line out of the question. Add in the fact that you KNEW Cekenar was coming to the zone in, we could not kite it away and you STILL stayed there, playing in traffic hoping to get a Vulak you did not earn. We all knew this was a ploy for you to try and get a free Vulak that you lost the race on. Congratulations, you won more cheap mobs.

As a matter of fact, Sirken himself saw this as complete idocracy and for what it really was and even asked you why you couldn't move your fters while we were engaged on a mob knowing that we couldn't race for anything that spawned until Vulak died anyways.

Lets not forget how you intentionally ZONED OUT on a Cekenar kill at 5% and let him gate because we pulled Vulak.

Recap: You lost the race, claimed train, forced 100 people to sit around and wait for sirken to make a ruling while I pleaded with you to try to work something out and you refused anything short of getting Vulak to yourself or first pick.

[6/6/2016 10:23:28 PM] Detoxx Blooddrunk: soo can we just work this out without sirken?
[6/6/2016 10:24:24 PM] Breaken Bad: I will split loot of Vulak and Cekenar, as 1 full loot table, with awakened getting first pick. You conceded Cekenar, so that is free loot, and you trained us. This seems fair.
[6/6/2016 10:24:27 PM] Detoxx Blooddrunk: hes apparently afk and itd be better to work this out as opposed to crying to him
[6/6/2016 10:24:54 PM] Detoxx Blooddrunk: nah man, we get first pick and its done. we did not train you, and we got the fte on vulak
[6/6/2016 10:25:44 PM] Breaken Bad: I showed you fraps. you trained us. count both mobs loot as 1 set, and rotate picks.. or 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 1 system. either way, but Awakened is 1.