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I'm a relatively new member to <Dark Ascension>, as my trial period has just completed last week, and I've been online both times that we got informed of our raid suspension. Both in guild and on ventrilo is sudden confusion and immediate questions. No one knows what happened, and no one knows who is responsible. We wait to see what the officers find out through speaking with the GMs that issued the suspension.
There has been a lot of theories and conjecture thrown around this forum. True, it is Rants and Flames, but that doesn't mean people can't be intelligent and informed when making statements. Personally, I'm not a forum troll. I very rarely come to these boards, but when things like this happen, I can't help but hear guildmates commenting on the threads and I get curious to see what is being said. That being said, I'd like to touch on a few things that were mentioned in this thread, and the one started by Raren. For starters: The issue that Durison is aware of this cheating and surrounds himself with a core circle that do the same and are aware. For the most part, Durison doesn't even make all the calls in the guild. Often times, he's not even on the raids we're doing. Depending on the hour of day or interest of the guild, our raids are lead by differing officers or experienced members and sometimes Durison will join us after it's begun. He may be the guild leader, but I have seen nothing that points toward him doing anything or condoning anything to do with cheating. All of our leadership is actually rather adamant to the contrary (yes Koota included). This is not to say they are perfectly innocent. I can't claim that. Then again, I also can't claim that my immediate family is perfectly innocent either. Human beings are rather adept at keeping unwanted information from one another regardless of the medium. The issue that staying tagged to <Dark Ascension> is condoning cheating in general. This is nonsense. I, myself, have no idea how third party programs even work (though Abacab gave me an insightful glimpse on Koota's flame thread). That being said, I don't support it in any way. Why do I stay tagged in <Dark Ascension>? Likely the same reason you would stay tagged in your guilds if someone was caught duping/cheating/training/etc in yours. Because despite that one person, the rest of the people in the guild are phenominal people to hang out and raid with and the bad apple has been removed, so there's no need to leave. The issue that we don't police/screen our members. This is ridiculously unfounded. As has been addressed on this forum in multiple people's posts, even the smallest guild can allow a dishonest person membership. There is no fool-proof method to screen. And the suggestion that we don't police is ludicrous as we haven't any means to. One must first detect the dishonesty to be able to address it, no? The issue that past actions state that <Dark Ascension> are known cheaters. Guess what. The past is exactly that. As stated above, I'm relatively new to the guild, and I'm not privvy to this 'sordid' history of the guild. Do you know why I don't bother looking into it? Because it doesn't matter. What matters is how the guild is handled presently, and what I see is a well-tuned group of people that work damn hard to accomplish all that we do. We have a team of trackers that spend countless hours watching for raid targets to spawn. And no, I'm not talking about Koota. I'm talking about our Bards, Druids, Rangers who sit there for countless hours hitting the "track" button. Or our Monks, Necromancers, or Shadowknights who FD on target spawn points to watch physically to see the mob. I'm talking about people like Jayko who will sit endlessly just waiting to DIE in order to know the target has spawned. Everyone's history holds skeletons in the closet. Look at your own, personally, and tell me you don't have a single thing that you'd rather was left forgotten. It's the past. Forget it. "But you're still cheating!" will be the response, I'm sure. To pre-empt that, let me state that though individuals are being caught cheating, they are acting independently from the wishes, knowledge, and rule set of this guild and if we had had the means to somehow know what they were doing, they would have been removed without hesitation. You can call me a blind sheep following the herd if you wish. You can call me ill-informed if that'll satisfy you. None of it will change the fact that these are good people. I have never once seen or heard of a <Dark Ascension> member acting as if they were superior to anyone else on the server or behaving as if they were entitlted. We all work hard to manage what we have accomplished on the server, and to have it tossed aside for foolish reasons is frustrating, so naturally some tempers will flare. Just try to ignore the h8. My name is Lorelae D`Clerizard, and I'm a proud member of <Dark Ascension>. Regardless of whatever sordid past history the guild might have, the members of it now are a great group of people, and I will stay tagged until this guild and continue to be the person I am. If you want to hate on me for that, by all means, just don't be too disappointed if I don't rise to the occasion. Quote:
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(Sorry about the double post, seems the guild names got cut out due to the brackets for some reason, and can't EDIT!)
I'm a relatively new member to Dark Ascension, as my trial period has just completed last week, and I've been online both times that we got informed of our raid suspension. Both in guild and on ventrilo is sudden confusion and immediate questions. No one knows what happened, and no one knows who is responsible. We wait to see what the officers find out through speaking with the GMs that issued the suspension. There has been a lot of theories and conjecture thrown around this forum. True, it is Rants and Flames, but that doesn't mean people can't be intelligent and informed when making statements. Personally, I'm not a forum troll. I very rarely come to these boards, but when things like this happen, I can't help but hear guildmates commenting on the threads and I get curious to see what is being said. That being said, I'd like to touch on a few things that were mentioned in this thread, and the one started by Raren. For starters: The issue that Durison is aware of this cheating and surrounds himself with a core circle that do the same and are aware. For the most part, Durison doesn't even make all the calls in the guild. Often times, he's not even on the raids we're doing. Depending on the hour of day or interest of the guild, our raids are lead by differing officers or experienced members and sometimes Durison will join us after it's begun. He may be the guild leader, but I have seen nothing that points toward him doing anything or condoning anything to do with cheating. All of our leadership is actually rather adamant to the contrary (yes Koota included). This is not to say they are perfectly innocent. I can't claim that. Then again, I also can't claim that my immediate family is perfectly innocent either. Human beings are rather adept at keeping unwanted information from one another regardless of the medium. The issue that staying tagged to Dark Ascension is condoning cheating in general. This is nonsense. I, myself, have no idea how third party programs even work (though Abacab gave me an insightful glimpse on Koota's flame thread). That being said, I don't support it in any way. Why do I stay tagged in <Dark Ascension>? Likely the same reason you would stay tagged in your guilds if someone was caught duping/cheating/training/etc in yours. Because despite that one person, the rest of the people in the guild are phenominal people to hang out and raid with and the bad apple has been removed, so there's no need to leave. The issue that we don't police/screen our members. This is ridiculously unfounded. As has been addressed on this forum in multiple people's posts, even the smallest guild can allow a dishonest person membership. There is no fool-proof method to screen. And the suggestion that we don't police is ludicrous as we haven't any means to. One must first detect the dishonesty to be able to address it, no? The issue that past actions state that Dark Ascension are known cheaters. Guess what. The past is exactly that. As stated above, I'm relatively new to the guild, and I'm not privvy to this 'sordid' history of the guild. Do you know why I don't bother looking into it? Because it doesn't matter. What matters is how the guild is handled presently, and what I see is a well-tuned group of people that work damn hard to accomplish all that we do. We have a team of trackers that spend countless hours watching for raid targets to spawn. And no, I'm not talking about Koota. I'm talking about our Bards, Druids, Rangers who sit there for countless hours hitting the "track" button. Or our Monks, Necromancers, or Shadowknights who FD on target spawn points to watch physically to see the mob. I'm talking about people like Jayko who will sit endlessly just waiting to DIE in order to know the target has spawned. Everyone's history holds skeletons in the closet. Look at your own, personally, and tell me you don't have a single thing that you'd rather was left forgotten. It's the past. Forget it. "But you're still cheating!" will be the response, I'm sure. To pre-empt that, let me state that though individuals are being caught cheating, they are acting independently from the wishes, knowledge, and rule set of this guild and if we had had the means to somehow know what they were doing, they would have been removed without hesitation. You can call me a blind sheep following the herd if you wish. You can call me ill-informed if that'll satisfy you. None of it will change the fact that these are good people. I have never once seen or heard of a Dark Ascension member acting as if they were superior to anyone else on the server or behaving as if they were entitlted. We all work hard to manage what we have accomplished on the server, and to have it tossed aside for foolish reasons is frustrating, so naturally some tempers will flare. 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