Bernie Sanders at his best

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not offended by your assertion, but since one my undergraduate degrees is in Political Science, I think I have a solid grasp on what counts as socialism.

As far as where my vote is concerned, I honestly don't want to cast a vote. I am so fed up with our current political system that I wish there was a reset button for the whole mess and we could go back to the very first congress of this nation. Alas that is merely romanticism. There is no going back.

hehe I beg of you to consider listening to more of what bernie sanders wants to change. I honestly think that you would like it. I'm /plead 'ing irl hehe... he wants those things you mention too! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Side note, I do wish that Bernie never came out and said 'I'm a democratic socialist.' His intentions were to beat the right to the punch, to come out and say, hey look, I'm sick of all this name calling and fighting, I'm going to beat you to the punch and come out admitting that I want to help the poor, and I want to de-value the the word socialist as a campaign attack, so we can talk about the issues.

he was hoping to take the 'high road' so to speak, and that we would respect him for his honesty and bold move... unfortunately it hasn't quite worked out that way, and a large number of people (like yourself IMO) that would love his policies, and what the man wants to change in Washington, are missing the message [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway, I hope that maybe you may re-consider, and vote for the man, not against a title! Give him more time in the spotlight!

But that's your right! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(ps the only reason we'll get Hillary in the white house is because the Dem party is afraid that there are too many people that wont vote for him because of that title. I honestly dont think the republican party has the power to beat either democratic candidate this election.. so! if you would prefer Hillary to Bernie, then dont vote for him because of the title, but if you really dont want Hillary in the office, at least say to your friends that you dont care that hes a socialist, its that you dont jews or something else about him haha)

[iruinedyourday]

Cat 5 hurricane materialized out of a storm in less than 24 hours, maybe the weather should be a top priority for national security. Yikes!

https://www.reddit.com/live/vsowstyv3er1

Get ready for our own version of the Syrian migration.

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[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cat 5 hurricane materialized out of a storm in less than 24 hours, maybe the weather should be a top priority for national security. Yikes!

https://www.reddit.com/live/vsowstyv3er1

Get ready for our own version of the Syrian migration.

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If whats happening in eastern countries atm came here it would be bloodshed. And a whole lot of it.
Also, isnt your nutcase Bernie claiming the greatest security threat we face is global warming? That dude is months away from dementia i swear

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you could not. By voting for a socialist government, you are attempting to use the power of the state to coerce me and the rest of the country into supporting your agenda. By voting for the free market, I am attempting to allow you to do whatever you please.

By voting for a free market, you're attempting to use the power of the state to coerce me and the rest of the country into living in a free market economy. It's the same damn thing. We're both voting to change the system at the expense of the other person's preferred ideology. The fact that you believe in some Jeffersonian fantasy of the free market where you sit on your plantation and big gubment can't give your money to blacks is inconsequential.

I bet you even believe tort law works to protect the environment in a free market system.

See, I can't 'do whatever I please' in a post-apocalyptic madhouse where all healthcare and education are totally for profit, the environment is all fucked up, humanity moved backwards, and greed won out over brotherhood. That's averse to the core of being. The only thing I'd want to do is leave.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, I can't 'do whatever I please' in a post-apocalyptic madhouse where all healthcare and education are totally for profit, the environment is all fucked up, humanity moved backwards, and greed won out over brotherhood. That's averse to the core of being. The only thing I'd want to do is leave.

Let supply and demand balance out the market they said.

Let college tuition, healthcare and big pharma work itself out they said.

Its capitalism they said, it'll work itself out they said. It isn't creating an oligarchy they said.

Supply and demand they said.

No thanks, I've seen enough and the progress is stagnant. Let's wait 1,000 years to see if it "works itself out" through free market with an even freer market isn't rational.

We know where 50 years has taken us and its simply the wrong direction. People are losing opportunity for basic standards of living in 2015+. Time to hit the brakes. Reverse!

[ronasch]

You lefties cry so much about higher wages but you constantly support illegal/legal immigration that floods this country with people who will work for less $$$. Thus driving wages lower, and making those "hated corporations" richer. The Liberal Elite only support immigration because it's another impoverished voting block they can exploit to gain political power.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You lefties cry so much about higher wages but you constantly support illegal/legal immigration that floods this country with people who will work for less $$$. Thus driving wages lower, and making those "hated corporations" richer. The Liberal Elite only support immigration because it's another impoverished voting block they can exploit to gain political power.

That's true, but it's not a phenomenon that's unique to the left. Your typical redneck slob hates immigrants, but the Republicans he votes for will never do anything of substance to stop immigration precisely because of business interests. So we're pretty much fucked either way.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You lefties cry so much about higher wages but you constantly support illegal/legal immigration that floods this country with people who will work for less $$$. Thus driving wages lower, and making those "hated corporations" richer. The Liberal Elite only support immigration because it's another impoverished voting block they can exploit to gain political power.

that's why my pal, I rely on LAW to set the standard for how little people can be payed, not 'ideology' that results in people just paying employee's as little as possible.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's why my pal, I rely on LAW to set the standard for how little people can be payed, not 'ideology' that results in people just paying employee's as little as possible.

Problem with LAW is that it creates $$$ owed instead of $$$ earned. So to offset $$$ owed companies 1 Layoff 2. Raise Prices 3. Go out of business 4. Both 1 and 2

I know companies shouldn't do those things it "morally" wrong. This is a common misconception Liberals believe they can change. Like gravity unless you change the laws of physics it's not going to happen. As for the morally wrong question, is it not just as morally wrong to force a business owner to pay more to his employees then what was agreed upon per hire? Is this private business no longer "private" but an entity of the state?

I contract for a major power company in IL. This company last year had to layoff over 300 union employees because the EPA shut down 2 coal power plants in Chicago. Union jobs and union men/women who many voted democrat. Tell me who's trying to kill union labor? Neither side cares about the American worker anymore, their is no mathematical equation to bring us out of the Economic catastrophe these politicians have created. All they are trying to do now is prolong the status quo, so when Shit hits the fan they can take their riches and be "saudi kings." While the rest of us lead a life of serfdom.

You could set the minimum wage to 100/hour and that would be the new poverty line.
It's the unaccounted for dynamic you liberals can't seem to understand. You CANT control it

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I contract for a major power company in IL. This company last year had to layoff over 300 union employees because the EPA shut down 2 coal power plants in Chicago. Union jobs and union men/women who many voted democrat. Tell me who's trying to kill union labor? Neither side cares about the American worker anymore, their is no mathematical equation to bring us out of the Economic catastrophe these politicians have created. All they are trying to do now is prolong the status quo, so when Shit hits the fan they can take their riches and be "saudi kings." While the rest of us lead a life of serfdom

Coal power, im sorry is dying and will eventually die.. Those jobs will be lost.

Another example is automatic cars will kill millions of jobs.

Some jobs go the way of the dodo bird, and you cant change that. Has happened, is happening, will happen.

Forcing us to rely on antiquated means of power so a few people can profit from it while using 300 union jobs as a straw man reason to vote to continue it and to inhibit research into other means of power & employment, is wrong.

Without a smart government then that's what you get... and sadly, that's what we HAVE here in the US, thanks to 30-40 years of republican policy.

Its time to try something different.

So that brings us to, social programs so those 300 people can survive until there is more work available? what do you have against that? Why do you think that is wrong?