Potential financial chaos in the near future

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rationalizing faith only serves to undermine it. By definition faith is belief without proof. It is perfectly acceptable to know one thing and believe something contrary, but that is not always easily practiced.

You gave plenty of examples of man made things demonstrating creation necessitates an intelligent creator. How then do you explain things like erosion, wild fires and even spider webs? All three are created by unintelligent entities (wind, water, lightning, spiders).

Your argument that the existence of 'things' necessitates a creator, because man creates things is not logical because the validity of the association is indeterminate. Man is not the creator of all things, we do. Of know the extent of all creators in the universe and as I've demonstrated above we have examples of creation by non-intelligent things, so the assertion is illogical. It's fine to attribute those processes to a larger design by an intelligent creator, but the latter can be neither proven nor disproven.

Sorry but no. There's a reason why science was invented by creationists and that the greatest scientists of all time were creationists and were believers in God. Sir Isaac Newton is considered to be the greatest scientist of all time. Science was originally devised by the wisest men as a means to better understand and explore the universe that God created. Listen to what he says.

“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion.”
― Isaac Newton

“This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.”
― Isaac Newton, The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy

“He who thinks half-heartedly will not believe in God; but he who really thinks has to believe in God.”
― Isaac Newton

“How came the bodies of animals to be contrived with so much art, and for what ends were their several parts?
Was the eye contrived without skill in Opticks, and the ear without knowledge of sounds?...and these things being rightly dispatch’d, does it not appear from phænomena that there is a Being incorporeal, living, intelligent...?”
― Isaac Newton, Opticks

“Blind metaphysical necessity, which is certainly the same always and every where, could produce no variety of things. All that diversity of natural things which we find suited to different times and places could arise from nothing but the ideas and will of a Being, necessarily existing.”
― Isaac Newton, The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy

Here's a good quote from Nikola Tesla, also one of the greatest scientists and contributors to man kind of all time.

"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being and if we focus our minds on this truth we become in tune with this great power" - Nikola Tesla


Wind, water, lightning and spiders were all created by an intelligent being. Everything that exists in the Universe including the Universe itself is a creation. As an example think of the World of Norrath and the EverQuest Universe. Every single detail in it was created by an intelligent being. There is nothing in the entire world of Norrath that wasn't specifically designed and created by an intelligent being. Likewise, the Universe we inhabit was designed and created by an intelligent being and one far more intelligent than we are.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Ranndom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im just gonna break your brain here so youll shut up.
If god is an intelligent being, who created god? By your logic, surely god has to have a creator too, and that creators creator, and so forth which completely destroys the 1 god theory
If hes not an intelligent being, and he just supposedly happened to be, well that goes against everything your preaching. Which is called nature Btw.
Either way, You're Wrong. Theres no other options.

False. God was the first thing to exist and has always existed. Logic requires that something had to have always existed otherwise nothing could exist since something cannot come from nothing. We know for a fact that the universe didn't always exist and therefor had a beginning. Anything which has a beginning by definition requires a creator. Since we know the universe has a beginning we can therefor logically conclude that it has a creator. God has always existed and will always exist.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, now out of the half billion gods out there, pick which ones were responsible for what.

You're confusing God with gods. There is only one God, the creator of all things and then there are gods which are actually the angels and the race of Nephilim some of them created when they mated with human woman. These are the gods of ancient mythology but aren't actually "myths" and are just as real as you and I and are still alive to this day and are in fact going to return very soon.

The Bible makes it clear that God did not create the universe by himself but rather he created the angels which are the ones who helped him create everything. Genesis clearly states this.

Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground."

This is why we have the ability to do things that no other living thing has the ability to do. We are the children of the creator of the universe and have been given domain over the entire Earth.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Bible makes it clear...

...that you are incapable of rational thought.

[Lamil]

Let's backtrack to whatever the fuck he said about satanists having the bible right now or whatever.. We are all brainwashed by who exactly?

[jarshale]

So you're saying that every god and magical being from myths are real, but are actually angel/human hybrids?

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but no. There's a reason why science was invented by creationists and that the greatest scientists of all time were creationists and were believers in God. Sir Isaac Newton is considered to be the greatest scientist of all time. Science was originally devised by the wisest men as a means to better understand and explore the universe that God created. Listen to what he says.








Here's a good quote from Nikola Tesla, also one of the greatest scientists and contributors to man kind of all time.

"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being and if we focus our minds on this truth we become in tune with this great power" - Nikola Tesla


Wind, water, lightning and spiders were all created by an intelligent being. Everything that exists in the Universe including the Universe itself is a creation. As an example think of the World of Norrath and the EverQuest Universe. Every single detail in it was created by an intelligent being. There is nothing in the entire world of Norrath that wasn't specifically designed and created by an intelligent being. Likewise, the Universe we inhabit was designed and created by an intelligent being and one far more intelligent than we are.

Nikola Tesla was also a sellout and preferred government bodies over his fellow man because of money.

[Big_Japan]

Of course there is a higher entity: it's the cosmic shit out of which you are made and the perfect system that allows complex systems, order, and intelligence to spring from that cosmic shit just by letting it bump into itself for a long enough time.

If you're stilling falling back on the ole "eyes are so complex a dude who knew about optics must literally have tinkered with them in a workshop" thing, you should probably be fed to the pigs before your hijacked reason is used to turn violence on your fellow man.

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. God was the first thing to exist and has always existed. Logic requires that something had to have always existed otherwise nothing could exist since something cannot come from nothing. We know for a fact that the universe didn't always exist and therefor had a beginning. Anything which has a beginning by definition requires a creator. Since we know the universe has a beginning we can therefor logically conclude that it has a creator. God has always existed and will always exist.

Ok...so if god has a beginning, who is his creator?

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. There is only one possible answer. They came from a being who has the capability of creating them. There is simply no other logical possible alternative.

also if this is the strongest argument u got, isn't it equally likely we're in some kind of sci fi prison invented by aliens or future humans? maybe we're from a bright white future of immortal "nephilim" with nanomachines who are very obviously directly in touch with the God of this universe, but we got caught raping children in that life and the punishment is eternity of reincarnation in the matrix, being owned by jews and dying at 60 of obesity.

Or maybe we're all part of some supercomputer & when we sleep each night someone is actually timesharing our brains to live out dreams -- last night I had a good 1 where a bunch of dudes with lacquered armor and swords were chasing me through a city, then through a restaurant, and we were throwing knives past the patrons at each other as I tried to escape. They kept shouting about some pretender (I think my loyalties were misaligned). There was even a naked broad talking to me before the chase started. It was a pretty good dream, strong narrative thread, tits and action, and I could see some tyrant enslaving me forever to sell the rights to role-play it. After all, I've never been to the 1600s, and something as complex as a realistic 1600s dream (especially considering that in this context, this universe is fantasy and the 1600s never happened like that in the actual world) must require an intelligent creator just like Norrath.