VP closed to Class R guilds?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? Do you seriously believe there are not other emu servers where you can kill VP dragons with kunark-era gear/abilities? You can even go on live and easily institute 'kunark-era only class/gear/spells' and kill VP dragons to your heart's content.

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(or maybe I will fail at image linking again)

[Oakengroves]

How to fix most raid disputes on Project 1999:

(1) Release Velious [keep up that hard work, gentlemen];

(2) Solicit donations to support another server;

(3) Convert current blue to R-Blue [no variance, enforced rotation];

(4) Make new C-Blue sever [no variance, no rotation, relaxed play nice policy];

(5) Offer a one-time, non-reversible character copy/transfers to C-Blue for those interested in "competition;" and

(6) C-blue will probably close down after a few months due to minimal population [allowing a return to original operating costs].

Some people, for whatever reason, love poopsocking and the thrill of "competition." This is a pretty small minority in the scheme of things. Most people enjoy playing a nostalgic, well-made game and focusing on having fun. This is the vast majority of players.

This is a classic proposal and will help promote classic gameplay. It will ensure that people do not get burned out from poopsocking and non-classic, strange raid mechanics that only exist here, such as 2 minute dragon kills, COTH tracking, COTH ducking, etc.

There were rotation servers on live, and there were competitive servers dominated by one guild. Give players the choice.

/thread

[falkun]

You aren't experiencing the content if you have OP combat tables (even if you could shoe-horn yourself into era-appropriate gear, spells, and zones). So if I want to get my epic with era-appropriate gear/spells/NPCs/combat tables, I have to play on blue or red. Since red is about competition, I play on blue. Why do you play on blue if you want competition?

You have blatantly ignored the question and kept spewing the troll about being able to obtain "classic" in other locations than P99.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't experiencing the content if you have OP combat tables (even if you could shoe-horn yourself into era-appropriate gear, spells, and zones). So if I want to get my epic with era-appropriate gear/spells/NPCs/combat tables, I have to play on blue or red. Since red is about competition, I play on blue. Why do you play on blue if you want competition?

You have blatantly ignored the question and kept spewing the troll about being able to obtain "classic" in other locations than P99.

I play on blue for a classic everquest pve experience, which involves competing with other characters and guilds to kill monsters. It involves non-instanced content that others guilds have the ability to dominate, like in classic everquest. I play on blue because I expect there to be 1-2 top guilds, who dominate most of the raid content, like it was in the classic era.

You've been spewing that 'Why do you play on blue if you want competition?' line for years and it is pretty hilarious. I play on blue because I don't want to pvp, I want to compete with others players in the killing of AI monsters like I did back in 1999.

[falkun]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player

Player(s) versus player(s), or PvP, is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants.[1] This is in contrast to games where players compete against computer controlled opponents, which is correspondingly referred to as player versus environment (PvE). The terms are most often used in games where both activities exist,[2] particularly MMORPGs, MUDs, and other role-playing video games.

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I play on blue for a classic everquest pve experience, which involves competing with other characters and guilds to kill monsters. It involves non-instanced content that others guilds have the ability to dominate, like in classic everquest. I play on blue because I expect there to be 1-2 top guilds, who dominate most of the raid content, like it was in the classic era.

You've been spewing that 'Why do you play on blue if you want competition?' line for years and it is pretty hilarious. I play on blue because I don't want to pvp, I want to compete with others players in the killing of AI monsters like I did back in 1999.

Killing AI monsters is an interactive conflict, if you get the monster, I don't. Since we are two live participants, it is by definition PVP. Regardless of how much damage each combatant does to one another, if we compete in any fashion, we are PVPing. Think Arathi Basin in WoW...both teams could theoretically never attack one another, but as soon as one side caps their resources, the other side loses. That is a form of PVP without any direct combat between parties. Conflict for resources is PVP if the conflict is between two live participants.

[Erati]

how butthurt is Skipdog that some of these mobs are rotated lol

yes some people wanted to 'just experience the content' well what you are ommitting is that they 'just wanted to experience the content' with their characters they spent months/years building, the friends they have gathered on their journey as well as the guild they grew up in

The server's raid mobs were literally cockblocked for nearly 3 years!!!!!!!

So yes, probably the most dense argument possible is 'you can experience this content many places, so why ruin MY gameplay via raid rules', what you forget is that its not just the content they wanted to experience, its experiencing that content with their P99 characters!!!

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So yes, probably the most dense argument possible is 'you can experience this content many places, so why ruin MY gameplay via raid rules', what you forget is that its not just the content they wanted to experience, its experiencing that content with their P99 characters!!!

Argument's moot, as bizyhap can claim the same thing.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Argument's moot, as bizyhap can claim the same thing.

well if he was a part of the initial cockblock he WAS experiencing the content

its just really dumb to look down on people's desire to experience P99's content by telling them

"dewd, those draguns are all over other EMU's n live, go try them there if thats what you want. Dont ruin my box!'

Like I said in my response, its the fact they wanted to experience the content HERE which they have every right to want, and no it should not REQUIRE the insane amount of work that Class C members are forced to put in.

This is why I am very thankful for our raid changes, it really has made this server something for everyone

[Daldaen]

#RemoveVariance #NotClassic #DownWith16HourWallStaring #MoreCompetition
#KeepNoPoopsockRules #Foot/MageRace #NoCotHDucking

[Raev]

Raev != Kaev

I posted this because you simply don't seem to understand that this is a classic mechanics server, not a classic feel server. With the exception of variance, for which there is no good reason.

Also, posts along the lines "OH GOD THE EXISTENCE OF TMO MAKES MY LIFE COMPLETE" raise nuthugging to a level I would not have thought possible.