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Old 08-13-2014, 07:17 AM
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3. GMs are trying to hide behind the rules to get of their shoulders the burden of taking responsibility that account trading was NOT forbidden from the day one. And I always knew this would come back and bite them in the ass, so when SMS system broke the old system - Gms now take no responsibility for the situation that they created and allowed to exist for years.
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:37 AM
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My 2 cents:

1. OP was shortsighted (even though I sympathize with his loss, I would never sell half an account myself)
2. The buyer is an obvious douchebag (If I have bought an account and somehow got something extra that wasn't intended for sale I would make sure to notify the owner/return the extras)
3. GMs are trying to hide behind the rules to get of their shoulders the burden of taking responsibility that account trading was NOT forbidden from the day one. And I always knew this would come back and bite them in the ass, so when SMS system broke the old system - Gms now take no responsibility for the situation that they created and allowed to exist for years.
How's that? They may not have banned people for account sales from day 1, but it was always known that it would be at your own risk. That's not hiding behind a rule, that's allowing people to suffer the consequences of decisions that they never supported to begin with. Which is what they always said they would do.

I guess it shouldn't really surprise me that people would ignore the "at your own risk" part of the deal. No reason anyone should have to accept responsibility for their own actions.
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:47 AM
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How's that? They may not have banned people for account sales from day 1, but it was always known that it would be at your own risk. That's not hiding behind a rule, that's allowing people to suffer the consequences of decisions that they never supported to begin with. Which is what they always said they would do.

I guess it shouldn't really surprise me that people would ignore the "at your own risk" part of the deal. No reason anyone should have to accept responsibility for their own actions.
"at your own risk" was perfectly understood and was reasonable to a point under OLD CONDITIONS. And of before the risk was say 50%, when GMs changed the conditions the risk now 100%.
Its like allowing people to buy and sell bbguns while "warning" then that bbguns could pose "risk", and then one day, magically, turning all guns into real firearms which kill people outright, and going after the people for "possession of illegal firearms".
Gms changed the rules so what use to be reasonable risk into irreversible harm. This situation was easily predictable from day one. Account selling should have been forbidden from day one. GMs let it run rampart and when rules change (by their will), they now say "oh but it was never supported".
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:52 AM
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"at your own risk" was perfectly understood and was reasonable to a point under OLD CONDITIONS. And of before the risk was say 50%, when GMs changed the conditions the risk now 100%.
Its like allowing people to buy and sell bbguns while "warning" then that bbguns could pose "risk", and then one day, magically, turning all guns into real firearms which kill people outright, and going after the people for "possession of illegal firearms".
Gms changed the rules so what use to be reasonable risk into irreversible harm. This situation was easily predictable from day one. Account selling should have been forbidden from day one. GMs let it run rampart and when rules change (by their will), they now say "oh but it was never supported".
No its not like that at all because actual lives are not involved. As you said, this situation was easily predictable from day one. So how does that absolve the player base from any repercussions? It doesn't. It put the onus squarely back on them where it was all along.
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:57 AM
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No its not like that at all because actual lives are not involved. As you said, this situation was easily predictable from day one. So how does that absolve the player base from any repercussions? It doesn't. It put the onus squarely back on them where it was all along.
Onus. Funny word.

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Old 08-13-2014, 11:03 AM
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No its not like that at all because actual lives are not involved. As you said, this situation was easily predictable from day one. So how does that absolve the player base from any repercussions? It doesn't. It put the onus squarely back on them where it was all along.
It doesn't. But GMs is the sole force that creates and enforces the law around here. More than that they create and enforce conditions as would be gods (something that is not normal in RL world unless in case of a major disaster). Therefore they are ultimately responsible for anything that may or may not happen that is not covered by current rules and conditions. They carry the ENTIRE burben.
By NOT forbidding account trade from day one they essentially ALLOWED it. They bare responsibility for ill consequences that happen to people that occurred, AFTER GMs changed the conditions and the rules.
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Old 08-13-2014, 12:40 AM
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Old 08-13-2014, 12:57 AM
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They said it wasn't supported straight away BECAUSE things might change down the road.
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Old 08-13-2014, 10:43 AM
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The level of risk is irrelevant to the discussion. The bottom line is there was a risk, OP took said risk, and OP is now paying the price. Staff should not intervene and OP should take cloki's deal and stfu.
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