HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Glenzig]

Why are people trying to make analogies for this situation? There is no need to. This is a situation that has nothing to do with houses or used cars or any of that junk. This is a situation where account trading was tollerated for a time by the staff, but never supported by the staff. Everyone that sold or traded accounts knew that they were taking all of.the risks associated with that action. They still did it, they made dumb decisions, and the staff has no obligation to settle these disputes for anyone. Live with it.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can play the quote game also.
Here is a good one
A post about splitting toons off accounts. So a post he made in the past should always apply even if changes have had happened? If so let's use your logic and start splitting toons off accounts.

Congrats pal, you found a quote from FIVE years ago. As if that holds any relevance to the quote in question or the conversation at hand.

So, you're making the claim (unsubstantiated) that an eqemu account sale includes all associated login server accounts, despite the account management system, up until a few months ago out of the 6 or whatever years P99 has been up, proving otherwise in that you only controlled the login server accounts you had passwords for. Would you care to provide some relevant sources for that claim? Because surely a large number of players that sold accounts in the past would disagree.

You're also making the claim that we should discredit a quote from the owner of the project because it may be outdated, despite it being posted only last year. Would you care to provide a more recent quote in which we should be going off of?

[drktmplr12]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

terrible analogy followed by nonsense based on said analogy

Terrible analogy is terrible. This is more like a shipping crate with three cars in it and Corki insisted he is taking ownership of the crate including all contents contained within.

This entire thread is, in my opinion, exactly the reason the staff made the decision to not get involved in account transfers, sales, password sharing, etc. I commend the staff for not getting involved and Pan for ever offering any consolation for your tears.

To me.. it appears the staff is always willing to help within the established guidelines. I think this falls specifically outside the scope of those guidelines. Trying to demonize the staff unreasonable and fucking disrespectful.

Sorry bard you lost something you worked hard and long on.. but you had to of realized this was a distinct possibility when you handed out the eqemu info in exchanged for plat or cash or whatever it was.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would I be mad at Cloki? He executed a guild split to work the rotation system as planned. I don't see why all the guilds aren't doing the same thing? We are currently under the process of splitting again to have a third rotation spot. New website coming soon.

You realize some mongo will actually believe that right? Stop it.

If the staff helped to fix this situation it would open a fucking Pandora's box of account assistance. Better to let OP suffer to set the correct precedence.

[drktmplr12]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Better to let OP suffer to set the correct precedence.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats pal, you found a quote from FIVE years ago. As if that holds any relevance to the quote in question or the conversation at hand.

So, you're making the claim (unsubstantiated) that an eqemu account sale includes all associated login server accounts, despite the account management system, up until a few months ago out of the 6 or whatever years P99 has been up, proving otherwise in that you only controlled the login server accounts you had passwords for. Would you care to provide some relevant sources for that claim? Because surely a large number of players that sold accounts in the past would disagree.

You're also making the claim that we should discredit a quote from the owner of the project because it may be outdated, despite it being posted only last year. Would you care to provide a more recent quote in which we should be going off of?

So if I sold an account 5 years ago and decided now that I really regretted it and wanted it back, all I would have to do is prove that I owned it 5 years ago? You realize what that would lead to right? Or are you so narrow minded that you can't see past the situation you put yourself in to see how it would affect the staff and the server if all such claims were honored?

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, don't flatter yourself pal. I wasn't offering you anything.

Of course not now, I didn't change my position. Anyway it's probably more aimed at people to post in your favor here and now, than to those that would stick to their integrity over an already established position not in your favor. Even if I did change my position, which I wouldn't, or even to someone that would accept your bribe for help and post in your favor here, it's doubtful you would ever deliver. Especially if you did manage to start an uprising and bend the will of the GM's to your favor over it, get your sold account back, at which point upon wining the case you would have no reason to deliver your bribes to anyone.

It only leaves me with the opinion of pettiness in your case. People are but to be bought and sold, bent to your will as you can afford or at least promise. I think the situation stinks regarding the account dilemma, but in your case maybe it is deserving, or unavoidable. People get on that road of blunders and just cant seem to get off. Blunder after blunder after blunder etc. At some point in your future journeys, you'll stop and think things out first, analyze the situation and it's numerable possible outcomes and choose your path more wisely, less greedily. But some never get there, and just try to pass on blame off of themselves to others, manipulate what they can manage, then move to the next blunder.

Personally, I'd just ban you and lock the thread, help you out the door anyway. Maybe you would take it as a life lesson at some point... or not. But luckily I'm not a GM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if I sold an account 5 years ago and decided now that I really regretted it and wanted it back, all I would have to do is prove that I owned it 5 years ago? You realize what that would lead to right? Or are you so narrow minded that you can't see past the situation you put yourself in to see how it would affect the staff and the server if all such claims were honored?

Are you so narrow minded that you can't see that the login server account that was sold with the eqemu account is entirely different than the two login server accounts that weren't? There's a huge difference between me attempting to take back the necromancer account this long after I sold it, and another thing ENTIRELY to have two accounts stolen from me that have YEARS full of IP logs proving that they belonged to me and attempting to get some help in getting them back.

Again.. there is irrefutable proof that I was the owner of those two accounts up until a month ago when Cloki's IP started accessing them when he SMS recovered the passwords.

I realize some people have become quite jaded as a result of the internet. But wow. It's not hard to see what would have been the right thing to do in this case even with minimal effort by the GMs.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course not now, I didn't change my position. Anyway it's probably more aimed at people to post in your favor here and now, than to those that would stick to their integrity over an already established position not in your favor. Even if I did change my position, which I wouldn't, or even to someone that would accept your bribe for help and post in your favor here, it's doubtful you would ever deliver. Especially if you did manage to start an uprising and bend the will of the GM's to your favor over it, get your sold account back, at which point upon wining the case you would have no reason to deliver your bribes to anyone.

It only leaves me with the opinion of pettiness in your case. People are but to be bought and sold, bent to your will as you can afford or at least promise. I think the situation stinks regarding the account dilemma, but in your case maybe it is deserving, or unavoidable. People get on that road of blunders and just cant seem to get off. Blunder after blunder after blunder etc. At some point in your future journeys, you'll stop and think things out first, analyze the situation and it's numerable possible outcomes and choose your path more wisely, less greedily. But some never get there, and just try to pass on blame off of themselves to others, manipulate what they can manage, then move to the next blunder.

Personally, I'd just ban you and lock the thread, help you out the door anyway. Maybe you would take it as a life lesson at some point... or not. But luckily I'm not a GM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol? Can anyone decipher what this guy is rambling on about? Who in the hell was I trying to bribe? Just... what?

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Omni formed a month ago?

Uhh, I have no idea.