ninja looting or no?

[Locust]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ironically in this case, its BDA (the guild that campaigned for a more relaxed /casual friendly raid scene in light of larger more dedicated guilds steamrolling over them and getting FTE) who does the exact same thing to unguilded chanter.

That said after the mob was killed it was absolutely ninja looting. Doesn't change the fact that BDA /Chest are hypocrites and assholes in this scenario.

BDA was the largest guild to campaign for the casual raid scene. They were not the only guild. They campaigned extremely hard, with those other guilds, for weeks. What we have now is a result of a COMPROMISE because TMO/FE/IB wanted to keep it the way it was, and would have, if Rogean hadn't forced them to work with us.

It's cool you have opinions tho

[Duckwalk]

Thanks for pointing put that I left out a qualifier in my previous post, however BDA being one of several guilds who campaigned for a more casual raid scene doesn't change the fact that they were the largest and most visible.

It's cool you completely ignore the hypocrisy of BDA campaigning for casual relaxed raid scene then turning around and doing the exact same thing TMO did to them to an unguilded enchanter.

And the fact that the mob is technically FTE doesn't change the fact that steamrolling some unguilded noob who was there first is a pretty shitty way to gear out enchanter alt no.13440303 especially when you've been lobbying for a more relaxed and considerate raid environment.

[arsenalpow]

You can't be "steamrolled" for an epic mob when FTE is the determining factor. It's not lguk frenzy or seb crypt. You dumb.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for pointing put that I left out a qualifier in my previous post, however BDA being one of several guilds who campaigned for a more casual raid scene doesn't change the fact that they were the largest and most visible.

It's cool you completely ignore the hypocrisy of BDA campaigning for casual relaxed raid scene then turning around and doing the exact same thing TMO did to them to an unguilded enchanter.

And the fact that the mob is technically FTE doesn't change the fact that steamrolling some unguilded noob who was there first is a pretty shitty way to gear out enchanter alt no.13440303 especially when you've been lobbying for a more relaxed and considerate raid environment.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

It's not hypocritical to play by the agreed upon rules, even if they aren't the exact rules you wanted to play by.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't be "steamrolled" for an epic mob when FTE is the determining factor. It's not lguk frenzy or seb crypt. You dumb.

Whatever meaning "steamrolling" may have picked up as a word of art on p99 I clearly meant it in its general sense, i.e., a single person is in line and a group pushes by them with little regard or despite protest.

But please attempt to rule lawyer some more ( its not like you've shown how horrible BDA is at it in the past), legal or not it doesn't change the fact that its still a shitty thing to do especially in light of BDA supposed stance regarding "competitive" raiding.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Locust [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

It's not hypocritical to play by the agreed upon rules, even if they aren't the exact rules you wanted to play by.

That's fair however if I had just led a campaign ostensibly to lessen server greed and spread access to raid content and epics, I probably wouldn't have rolled over some unguilded server noobie who was there first just to gear out an alt.

But hey that's me, I don't base my self worth off pixels.

[arsenalpow]

Except VT isn't a queue system. How could BDA have cut in a line that never existed in the first place. We don't monopolize VT, we only kill her when someone needs the epic piece which is completely different from the TMO stance of killing things because fuck everyone else. Saraya didn't get this VT, maybe he/she gets the next one (assuming the suspension is lifted someday) or the one after that.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except VT isn't a queue system. How could BDA have cut in a line that never existed in the first place. We don't monopolize VT, we only kill her when someone needs the epic piece which is completely different from the TMO stance of killing things because fuck everyone else. Saraya didn't get this VT, maybe he/she gets the next one (assuming the suspension is lifted someday) or the one after that.

Yes, we know VT isn't a queue system. Thanks for referencing arbitrary mob designations.

I'm just saying that in this scenario:

1. unguilded chanter was there first.
2. BDA chanter shows up second.
3. Mob pops and despite unguilded chanter telling BDA that he has people coming, they kill it anyways for someone's alt.

And especially after so many proclamations of "it's just a game", complaints about hardcores, their greed and "not having lives", after years of losing mobs to TMO because they mobilized larger forces quicker, I probably would have given the guy a little leeway or come back for it another time.

Glad you were able to bully some server noobs and get another alt his epic!!

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's fair however if I had just led a campaign ostensibly to lessen server greed and spread access to raid content and epics, I probably wouldn't have rolled over some unguilded server noobie who was there first just to gear out an alt.

But hey that's me, I don't base my self worth off pixels.

Not that this has much to do with anything, but just so you know Pricilla is not "an alt," she is a main enchanter and one of a core group of German players who have proven themselves to be a valuable asset to our guild's early-morning raiding time and time again. On top of being really good players, they're all really great human beings.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whatever meaning "steamrolling" may have picked up as a word of art on p99 I clearly meant it in its general sense, i.e., a single person is in line and a group pushes by them with little regard or despite protest.

But please attempt to rule lawyer some more ( its not like you've shown how horrible BDA is at it in the past), legal or not it doesn't change the fact that its still a shitty thing to do especially in light of BDA supposed stance regarding "competitive" raiding.

That single person standing in line waiting their turn didn't have the money to pay for their purchase. The group of people behind them had their money ready so they stepped up to the counter.