New map desktop app coming soon (as long as it's still kosher with p99 rules)

[webrunner5]

Man, I really love all the "It's not Classic" shit responses. I bet 75% of them are running a different UI than the normal one, or have the Velious models on, or the better equipment skin updates on, etc,etc.

Just go away and start your own damn server and delete your forum account on here. Shit gets old. Grow the hell up.

[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, I really love all the "It's not Classic" shit responses. I bet 75% of them are running a different UI than the normal one, or have the Velious models on, or the better equipment skin updates on, etc,etc.

Just go away and start your own damn server and delete your forum account on here. Shit gets old. Grow the hell up.

I'll forego the glaringly obvious rebuttal...

Since this argument seems to be no longer bound by the constraints of logic I'll just say this... Those of you who are for the map hacks are racists. Those of us against the map hacks are exceptionally handsome, charming and witty.

[Zuranthium]

It's the immersion. When you logged onto Everquest in 1999 and walked outside of your starting city, you would often have no idea where you were. Actually, lots of times, you wouldn't even be sure where you are inside your starting city. It created uncertainty, fear, and adventure. Even after you learned a certain area, it was easy to become disoriented. Especially at night. You felt like you were truly living IN an epic fantasy world.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the immersion. When you logged onto Everquest in 1999 and walked outside of your starting city, you would often have no idea where you were. Actually, lots of times, you wouldn't even be sure where you are inside your starting city. It created uncertainty, fear, and adventure. Even after you learned a certain area, it was easy to become disoriented. Especially at night. You felt like you were truly living IN an epic fantasy world.

Immersion is a fallacy.

By 2000, everybody I knew had maps next to their computers when they played. The only difference here is the medium: paper vs pixels.

[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Immersion is a fallacy.

By 2000, everybody I knew had maps next to their computers when they played. The only difference here is the medium: paper vs pixels.

I don't remember my EQ atlas print outs having real time updated position indicators for myself and my competitors / allies. Its not even fair to call this a map app, its a player tracking app. If it was just maps I don't think people like myself would really care that much. It also sounds like the developer is considering adding more "features". We don't like the direction this takes the server. A self described classic server by the way which so many of you seem to forget.

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't remember my EQ atlas print outs having real time updated position indicators for myself and my competitors / allies. Its not even fair to call this a map app, its a player tracking app. If it was just maps I don't think people like myself would really care that much. It also sounds like the developer is considering adding more "features". We don't like the direction this takes the server. A self described classic server by the way which so many of you seem to forget.

The only way to stop stuff like this is to disable logging though.

[Arclyte]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Immersion is a fallacy.

By 2000, everybody I knew had maps next to their computers when they played. The only difference here is the medium: paper vs pixels.

actively tracking yourself with a harry potter map is not the same

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actively tracking yourself with a harry potter map is not the same

It's exactly the same.

[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's exactly the same.

This borders on gaslighting.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actively tracking yourself with a harry potter map is not the same

Can your finger follow (ie. "actively track") a map? If so then it seems the same to me.

But let's put all of the deep-seated moral objections aside for a minute and focus on something practical: even if you somehow magically convinced the GMs to change their minds and ban this app IT WOULDN'T MATTER. Unless the devs also banned all log reading programs, and patched in an anti-cheat program to run alongside EQ and search for apps that are reading the log, there is nothing that the devs can do to stop this app.

ANY log reading program will (for the most part) be undetectable, which means it doesn't matter what your moral quibbles are, in practical terms there's nothing you can do about them.