40 Nihilum showed up for Nagafen years after box released - No Variance killing Red99

[Tubben]

Originally Posted by Liten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, you can't even be from VZ. PoTime?! You realise defiant was the first guild of any PvP server to beat the PoEarth event and enter time? Also the first guild to kill everything during velious/luclin/pop... AD did it well euro time, but stop making shit up.

AD Killed Coirnav first and entered PoTime. Coirnav was the last boss Defiant AND AD missed before entering Time.

We killed Coirnav on an guildmeeting in Stockholm, while several Defiants were in the same Internet Cafe.

I am from VZ, Bonuzz. I was in Die Ringtraeger, then in Ancient Orden and then in Ancient Dawn. I left VZ at the end of GoD, after AD was the first guild to beat Uqua at lv 65 (on vz), before Defiant was able to do it.

It seems your memories are a bit blurry. I remember you, a gnome necromancer named bonuzz. iirc atleast.

Tubben Hasenfuss <Ancient Dawn>

[Stasis01]

It isn't hatred, it's selfishness and control.

[BrobbVZ]

I know Vallon Zek very well and we beat Defiant VERY often... Liten you need to do some research bro.

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Originally Posted by BrobbVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know Vallon Zek very well and we beat Defiant VERY often... Liten you need to do some research bro.

Yeah i don't remember defiant being anything more than our bitches, Atleast while i played EQ.

Vexare, prophets, silent souls and there was one other but all small guilds banding together vs defiant and AO. Was fun times, though my experience back then was more for the pvp and less for the pve. Though wherever we went we rocked defiant, i never remember them being anything more than "well geared scrubs". Though i assume shortly after i left people got tired of not doing the big pve content so they joined defiant, kinda the same situation with Nihilum but Nihilum can hold its own in a fight.

[Liten]

Brobb, you beat Defiant? In AD? First of all, AD was made during luclin? even if we still contested velious. The second guild on Vz for at least the first 8-10 months of velious was Ancient Order, which was euro and allies with Defiant. After Prophets got beat/disbanded, there was no PvP at all, except against the dark team guilds, who were far far from contesting anything. X-teaming came later.

I'm not trying to brag about old shit, simply saying VZ had a topguild too. No other guilds got any PvE done we still needed in defiant. Whatever fights you might have won was on euro time, considering no other guild did ANY ToV or ST during the whole velious era, I fail to see how that was very different.

But yes, there was PvP and during kunark it was defiant being the underdog. But I'm sure one guild would have controlled everything if we had 2 years of kunark there too.

My research is solid brobb, considering I was there.

/bonuzz

[Tubben]

Originally Posted by Liten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brobb, you beat Defiant? In AD? First of all, AD was made during luclin? even if we still contested velious. The second guild on Vz for at least the first 8-10 months of velious was Ancient Order, which was euro and allies with Defiant. After Prophets got beat/disbanded, there was no PvP at all, except against the dark team guilds, who were far far from contesting anything. X-teaming came later.

Ancient Dawn was an result of an Guildmerge of Ancient Orden and Ebon Dawn. Before this we were Ancient Orden (not Ancient Order), and had to merge at some point because of numbers.

Ancient Orden was allied with Defiant while Kunark, thats true. After we started to regulary getting mobs Defiant wanted, we canceled this ;-) I remember the discussion we had about this.

After this there was war between Defiant and AO, but allways pretty friendly by the way. Same same vs Ebon Dawn.

Originally Posted by Liten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trying to brag about old shit, simply saying VZ had a topguild too. No other guilds got any PvE done we still needed in defiant. Whatever fights you might have won was on euro time, considering no other guild did ANY ToV or ST during the whole velious era, I fail to see how that was very different.

Lol. Thats why we regulary had NToV and ST, util defiant decided at some point they had to kill the last warder.

[Smedy]

Bonuzz didnt you start on vallon zek rather late (you were not even max level when i started there late velious) and you went straight into defiant as you had rl friends in that guild and got boosted to the top.

Sorry to say pal, you did the exact same thing you did here, you joined the already established top guild, and did absolutely nothing to contribute to that fact.

Build something from the ground up, then talk

[Liten]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bonuzz didnt you start on vallon zek rather late (you were not even max level when i started there late velious) and you went straight into defiant as you had rl friends in that guild and got boosted to the top.

Sorry to say pal, you did the exact same thing you did here, you joined the already established top guild, and did absolutely nothing to contribute to that fact.

Build something from the ground up, then talk

Joined Vz around when kunark came out, played with elders of underfoot until I joined defiant, who was not the top guild at the time. But it's besides the point, I just wanted to show that we did have a very dominating topguild there, and denying that is silly.

[Agatha]

tldr, become less toxic, compete.

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tldr, become less toxic, compete.

epic troll!