Lol, this isn't going to change anything.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith.. .

But to believe Radditsu is not a lying nazi? Well, that's just plain gullibility

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But to believe Radditsu is not a lying nazi? Well, that's just plain gullibility

Nazi?


Ruskie maybe!

Red Dragon maybe.


But never a Nazi.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nazi?


Ruskie maybe!

Red Dragon maybe.


But never a Nazi.

Well played sir

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you have someone accounting for all this? Has it been audited? If so, do you have transaction logs? What about things bought with guild pp?


Do you use quickbooks?

They thing about the guild bank, it's easy to track for staff members to where the loot is. The hard part is keeping track of every individual member's loot that they gain. Yes you can look on TMO forums to see who was awarded what, but you can't actively check every member at any given time to see if they are still carrying it around, even for staff it's not time effective to audit an entire guild for items considering how little it's actually done (members RMTing their own loot).

I can say that top guilds raid loot/guild bank is under a more watchful eye for RMT than any other.

[hatelore]

I like to picture tanrin, kinda like a guy in a toxedo t-shirt, with dreads, deflecting large caliber bullets with his dreads.

[Nirgon]

You guys were so close to just admitting you agree with each other.

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work our mob on things you can both agree have been over farmed by one guild.

I hope at some point I exposed the problems here: getting along A LITTLE, realizing the nature of the EQ world/limited number of spawns, lack of Velious, and looking at problems objectively.

On this last point, when both parties do that, at least you can start coming to an agreement on a present problem. From there you can work on it. Bringing up who should be banned for what but who also did it too and smearing each other gets you nowhere (and the OP is right, nothing will ever change then). Maybe that's what Rogean is talking about when he says he's sick of the raiding guilds attitudes here (he did use the plural). Try to be men about this shit and work things out.

It really is funny to see how close 3 pages ago you were to putting down the "lol scum got banned" or "no you are scum" shit and making real progress.

Back to "you guys RMT'd" , "no you did".

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work on things like mobs you can all agree have been over farmed by one guild for too long.

^ I need the holidays so bad. My brain, fml.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith. But to believe TMO never got RMT money? Well, that's just plain gullibility.

TMO as an organization has never "got" RMT money. We have had a few RMT'ers yes but those were personal endeavors.

Believing otherwise is just drawing conclusions without evidence. It would be akin to believing every person who has ever farmed a fungi tunic is likely RMTing them.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys were so close to just admitting you agree with each other.

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work our mob on things you can both agree have been over farmed by one guild.

I hope at some point I exposed the problems here: getting along A LITTLE, realizing the nature of the EQ world/limited number of spawns, lack of Velious, and looking at problems objectively.

On this last point, when both parties do that, at least you can start coming to an agreement on a present problem. From there you can work on it. Bringing up who should be banned for what but who also did it too and smearing each other gets you nowhere (and the OP is right, nothing will ever change then). Maybe that's what Rogean is talking about when he says he's sick of the raiding guilds attitudes here (he did use the plural). Try to be men about this shit and work things out.

It really is funny to see how close 3 pages ago you were to putting down the "lol scum got banned" or "no you are scum" shit and making real progress.

Back to "you guys RMT'd" , "no you did".

It takes two.
The problem is belief. Belief can become self-assuring touchstones. When people drift to far from what they "know" to be true they must violent reject new information as impossible. I don't really think people in TMO believe that FE/IB are actually the scum of the universe or that everyone there cheats/rmt's. I'm sure we might have a couple who invest entirely too much into Reynold's stock but for the vast majority we understand that RMT/cheating will happen anywhere.

I can't say whether the same can be said about other guilds' leaders and their beliefs.

Not pointing fingers, but everyone who reads RnF objectively(all 3 of you) look in your guild chat... everytime TMO is mentioned is cheating/rmting/hacking/douchebag the first thing mentioned? If so I'd say you have the problem... not us. RnF is RnF what goes on here is just bullshit for kicks and giggles and a fair amount of boredom.

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

[Kagatob]

Nirgon, I've always wondered, if you are so 'classic or bust' why are you all for maintaining the terrible and not classic FTE system?