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[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Andis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

? the server was expected to come back at any point, different scenario

with variance, it wont be expected. so those 50 wont be able to log in right away, giving the other guilds a shot at least

Now im convinced you're just trolling.

Originally Posted by Andis

cuz last night server was down for over 20 hours, when we were told 12

You understand what happens when we do variance, right? People still know when the mob is coming, there is just a +/- x hours window for the mob to spawn. The only difference between last night and implemented variance is that you'll have maybe 1-3 mobs in window, as opposed to everything being in window like it was last night.

Variance isn't going to help other guilds get targets. If no one but nihilum got targets last night, there is an entirely different problem going on than what you're describing.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying it came up within 12 hrs of when it was supposed to?

+/- 12 hour variance. Why did nihilum get all the targets, and why do you think it will be better when they are tracking 1 or 2 with all of their characters camped at those targets as opposed to every raid mob in Norrath?

I just don't think you're going for the right solution here.

Boom Goes the Dynamite

Could not have said it better.

[mikemandella]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying it came up within 12 hrs of when it was supposed to?

+/- 12 hour variance. Why did nihilum get all the targets, and why do you think it will be better when they are tracking 1 or 2 with all of their characters camped at those targets as opposed to every raid mob in Norrath?

I just don't think you're going for the right solution here.

I gotta say I agree with Nilbog/Elderan on this one.. Reality is we were contesting with even #'s There are plenty of newer players coming up in the new Red Dawn/random guilds etc.. Guess what you have to help new people. You even have to help and guild with people you don't like... In business you go out of business if you can't work with others or fix situations that aren't going your way.

The solution isn't to force the staff to add variance or force people to a certain guild or guild caps etc.. It's to make our guild a place more players want to be. We all have to play the hand we are dealt. Nilly is just playing theirs.. it's not good, it's not bad, it's not unfair.. it just is what it is bro.

-Oppressor

[Nads]

Originally Posted by tomato2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think you work for nihilum already

LAWD that was a quick ban![You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Barladore]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think of the repop yesterday as a test of variance. Similar situations - you had a roughly +/- 12 hour window when you knew your target(s) would spawn. As soon as that server popped up on the list, you send out the batphone, everyone logs in, and you go after your target.

If nihilum got all the targets in a variance situation where every raid mob in Norrath spawned at the same time, why would you think you'd have a chance at one or two targets that Nihilum has characters camped out at with trackers ready to batphone?

In theory you are right, however, you are only using one target in your example. Yes, nihilum got 50. But they got 50 online when it meant the possibility of getting all of the mobs, and the likelihood of getting the most desired ones. You can't tell me they are going to get 50 ppl online 10+ times per week at completely random times. What happens when Fay spawns at 10am EST. All of a sudden they get 17 -25... Azrael will fight that crew, but fuck no we arent going to engage 35+.

What's happened for the people that have defected from the rebellion is they have gone casual. They don't want to play a whole lot (which is required when you are fighting nihilum). Now, they let the core of nihilum do the work for them. Guys like brobb, noah/valentin, agatha, jupe, feniggles, sektors ect. they dont want to invest hours of their life fighting a fight that doesnt reap many rewards. As a result, they'd rather just wait for the weekly batphone and log for a chance at loot.

Nihilum, isnt all neckbeards at all. Not anymore, now its 65 casual players who log in once a week for a chance at one of their final BiS items. There is no way they get all their players out when there is only 1 mob to kill at a random time midweek.

Give variance a try, after a few weeks the spawns will be so broken up that players will be forced to log in when they dont have all week to plan for it... Also, this isnt blue. You can kill the people tracking mobs.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Barladore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's happened for the people that have defected from the rebellion is they have gone casual. They don't want to play a whole lot (which is required when you are fighting nihilum). Now, they let the core of nihilum do the work for them. Guys like brobb, noah/valentin, agatha, jupe, feniggles, sektors ect. they dont want to invest hours of their life fighting a fight that doesnt reap many rewards. As a result, they'd rather just wait for the weekly batphone and log for a chance at loot.

So you say.

According to them, they disagreed with the way Azrael was being run.

Suggesting variance is a complete troll just like a second pvp server. Neither provide a way to promote more pvp. On the contrary, both only put the players outside of the top guild at a greater disadvantage.

[pharmakos]

i think you pro-variance guys are too focused on how variance is going to hurt nihilum, and not focused enough on how it will affect yourselves.

Originally Posted by Barladore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What happens when Fay spawns at 10am EST. All of a sudden they get 17 -25... Azrael will fight that crew, but fuck no we arent going to engage 35+.

yeah but how many people is Azrael going to have online at 10AM? and are they going to want to trek their asses to TD to compete? Nihilum will have alts camped there if variance is imposed. will the resistance leave alts camped at every raid target too? i doubt it.

[SamwiseRed]

dude if u cant even get people to contest 50 neckbeards at a known time, why do you think variance will solve this? there just arnt enough players that are that dedicated to this game. i for one would never be part of a batphone system, thats just too much.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude if u cant even get people to contest 50 neckbeards at a known time, why do you think variance will solve this? there just arnt enough players that are that dedicated to this game. i for one would never be part of a batphone system, thats just too much.

dedicated to this game...

They cant even comprehend/identify what Nihilums game is and find a way to beat it.

Keep getting them KDRs against noobs guys.

[runlvlzero]

Nihilum can also take out 3 targets at once. If they chose to.