Training in Veeshan's peak?

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We still kill the dragons in VP despite the training.

However still doesn't make it right.

I would take our 18 best over TMO 18 best any day.

Have them copy us into the arena and lets find out.

hahahaahahahah

you guys killed xygoz and silverwing each once in a three week period

don't lie dawg

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because training in everquest is dumb as fuck. This is not how the game should be played.

this is a gem coming from the guy that has been banned for training and consistently trains every pvp encounter that he's losing

[Andervin]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?

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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I'll be staying out of VP then. I'm more interested in seeing planar content anyway.

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?

Rotation isn't competition. Why don't the GM's just make VP instanced?

[Jingleson]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotation isn't competition. Why don't the GM's just make VP instanced?

Why does the raiding scene absolutely have to be an all-out war between guilds? I realize that some people want to be the best they can be, but that doesn't mean they have to keep something on lockdown and NEVER let anyone have a shot at it.

[Funkutron5000]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reasons the rules have been made this way is because of the nature of VP. The zone is dysfunctional and in a competitive manner it would be highly difficult to not train an opposing raid. This would lead to lots petitions over accidents or "accidents" which would result in the GM's picking and choosing what is an actual accident. They basically decided to let it be open to avoid that.

It doesn't seem to matter if trains are accidental or not in other zones. If you train another guild with your pull, learn to pull better or engage the mob elsewhere besides the entrance.

Or, we can keep as is and have guilds train each other into oblivion. Whatevs.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I'll be staying out of VP then. I'm more interested in seeing planar content anyway.

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?

You're assuming all sides are rational actors, rather than people playing the "it's mine and no one else's" game. Rotations would most certainly be a better use of everyone's time, as would a lack of variance in spawn timers. It would eliminate "tracking" the practice of having one or more people per guild sit at or near a boss spawn point smashing the track button or visually watching the screen for hours on end (don't forget you need enough people to cover these spawns for 24 hours every day otherwise you might miss it) until it spawns, upon which the tracker sends a mass email/text message to their guild's roster letting people know to log in their pre-camped and buffed characters to attempt to engage the boss first.

The "competition" outside Veeshan's Peak comes from being the first to log in a sufficient number of people in order to achieve "First to Engage" status on the mob, which grants that guild the exclusive right to kill that mob and take it's loot. However if said FTE guild loses the FTE, another guild can pick it up and claim the mob as theirs. This can bounce back in forth as pullers die or tanks go down, while reinforcements log in. Training or other raid interference can cause the FTE guild to forfeit their kill and loots and possibly earn a suspension, same for the non-FTE guild.

The "competition" in Veeshan's Peak consists not of being first to engage a dragon, but of training the ever living crap of each other's raids, when an opposing side shows up. Logging in and out with buffs until the pullers and counter-train players have a decent window for a pull and call people to log in.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does the raiding scene absolutely have to be an all-out war between guilds? I realize that some people want to be the best they can be, but that doesn't mean they have to keep something on lockdown and NEVER let anyone have a shot at it.

Free to Play servers are serious business for some people.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does the raiding scene absolutely have to be an all-out war between guilds? I realize that some people want to be the best they can be, but that doesn't mean they have to keep something on lockdown and NEVER let anyone have a shot at it.

Who says it has to be? It doesn't. Anyone has a shot in VP.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who says it has to be? It doesn't. Anyone has a shot in VP.*

*As long as you are willing to purposely train other players or be trained yourself and corpse camped for hours or days.


You forgot the disclaimer there.