Raiding in P1999 is nothing like raiding in classic.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem isn't that the rest of the server wants everything, it's that TMO does.

Why is that a problem?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is that a problem?

I didn't say everyone else wanted nothing.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say everyone else wanted nothing.

That's not your choice. Lol.

Hey, do something about it other than Forumquest!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not your choice. Lol.

Hey, do something about it other than Forumquest!

Putting in my app to TMO now.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say everyone else wanted nothing.

Everyone wants everything, so what is the problem. You can't always get what you want.

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone wants everything, so what is the problem. You can't always get what you want.

This is not true. I for one do not want a lot of things. I could live fine without a tumor, a small penis, AIDs, a squirrel, a pink pen just to name a few.

In fact if I got any of those things, I would almost certainly try to get rid of them as soon as possible.

Except maybe the squirrel cause idk they're kinda cute

[Raavak]

So if Tasselhoff and FE had the upper hand, they would dole out mobs to other people? Get serious.

People just rooting for the underdog and hoping the king is toppled. Ain't gunna happen.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if Tasselhoff and FE had the upper hand, they would dole out mobs to other people? Get serious.

People just rooting for the underdog and hoping the king is toppled. Ain't gunna happen.

When I was with discussion with FE, they actually agreed with a subset of mobs left for the rest of the server every X weeks (which would mean a tier 2 competition window for smaller / more casual people guilds). But TMO never agreed to it, that's a fact.

I mean, your guild is very good at what it does, there is no denying in it. So you pretty much do what you want with such crushing power, it's your business. But don't deny either that greed is fueling the need for a monopoly more than anything else (a guild bank with 10+ millions pp doesn't back up claims of dire needs). Let's not add hypocrisy to such discussions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for not willing to track all targets 24/7 because of unclassic variance, that doesn't equal to 0 effort. Giving the opportunity to smaller guilds to compete at their levels would still require some sort of tracking, and a race to boot (yeah, good old races vs camping raid forces at a target feet ^^). But as I said, those on top don't want to consider anything which doesn't come close to what they're putting. Anyway, there are other games to play too. I personally won't be losing sleep over the fact that the top guild won't share even a tiny part of raid targets. But I will take no part of it either.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I was with discussion with FE, they actually agreed with a subset of mobs left for the rest of the server every X weeks (which would mean a tier 2 competition window for smaller / more casual people guilds). But TMO never agreed to it, that's a fact.

I mean, your guild is very good at what it does, there is no denying in it. So you pretty much do what you want with such crushing power, it's your business. But don't deny either that greed is fueling the need for a monopoly more than anything else (a guild bank with 10+ millions pp doesn't back up claims of dire needs). Let's not add hypocrisy to such discussions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for not willing to track all targets 24/7 because of unclassic variance, that doesn't equal to 0 effort. Giving the opportunity to smaller guilds to compete at their levels would still require some sort of tracking, and a race to boot (yeah, good old races vs camping raid forces at a target feet ^^). But as I said, those on top don't want to consider anything which doesn't come close to what they're putting. Anyway, there are other games to play too. I personally won't be losing sleep over the fact that the top guild won't share even a tiny part of raid targets. But I will take no part of it either.

A lot of people talk about what they would do if things were different so I wouldn't assume FE is some benevolent force just because they say they would be.

If tracking all targets seems like too much, how about tracking just one at a time?

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of people talk about what they would do if things were different so I wouldn't assume FE is some benevolent force just because they say they would be.

If tracking all targets seems like too much, how about tracking just one at a time?

That still requires relatively as much effort as tracking 24/7 everything. You still require a 24/7 tracking presence for a single kill. That's unclassic involvment, due to variance.

There shouldn't be a variance, and it should be a poopsock fest like Noble. Which will eventually turn into some sort of agreement between guilds to make things different. With a poopsock, all guilds would have equal chances. We can't have that now do we?

The way things are allow for reduced competition in the end, but claiming it's classic is just being in denial. It's easier to motivate your guild to log for an encounter when you know the spawning time, and actually have a chance at it, than burning out members for tracking for days with a slim chance to get it if bigger rosters can do the same and have twice your raid force logged under 30 seconds, because of multi account plague.